Sanders and AOC tell packed arena Trump is ‘screwing over’ working class

I saw something recently that was talking about how individualism has led us to this situation. Everyone is thinking what they can do. We lost our collectivist spirit. We don't think about what we can do.

An individual has essentially no power. A group does. We need to get better at organizing. This is made hard because we are so separated from each other, driving individually to work, then back home, largely to houses where you don't interact with anyone else. We have basically no third places anymore where you'd typically organize. This situation was designed, and it's going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

They are powerless if everyone stops giving them power

The country is nothing without its workers

Of 10-20% of the population actively protested and actively tried to halt any functioning of society, you'd be surprised at how much you could get done. A that large mass of people is absolutely hell to control and subdue, and they certainly cannot arrest even a significant fraction of them. If the threat of protests of that scale were real every time they tried some fuckery, they would give in very quickly

The problem is that almost everyone thinks like you say, "what am I to do? I'm powerless", and give up before even trying

And while we’re at it, why don’t people in China have the freedom to speak out against their government and not have censorship? Maybe if they all just got together in a big public square and really protested, I bet that would end really well.

What do you suggest Americans do?

You'd know more than someone outside of the US.

The British empire was brought to its knees by normal patriots to form the country you're making excuses not to defend. Coward.

Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).

Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.

I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don't think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.

The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he's too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn't have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.

Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.

Ok so 4 years from now, when the major complaint has been gathering support only happens during election time........

Fr let’s go. We cant wait until 2028. AOC president and Bernie vice president (or something like that)? Would be a dream come true…

Don't splinter then. Amputate.

Can't you change how the delegate election works at least at a state level?

I’ve heard this argument for 30+ years. How long do I wait for it to be true?

Not without a complete breakdown of the country.

Well... You are onto that it seems... So get the hopium?

You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.

My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don't care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?

You have way too much politics in the US, your judges, police chiefs, ad's should never have been political.

While you are right I do think that a good number are boomers, there are still young people grasping onto these ideas. I am a millennial and have worked with different people across many age ranges who are very conservative including my age or younger. Unfortunately this hyper conservative movement may not go away anytime soon in my opinion.

But I do hope that people in America and elsewhere like you said remain aware of the billionaire parasites that feed off the people. My hope is that some day the conservative ideals squeeze and overstep with their followers so much that they finally wake up and choose different ideals. I hope it happens soon and we can change the future of the world

The old boomer's idea of conservatism has already died. Congratulations, you already got what you asked for. It was replaced by a technocracy. Or neo-fascism. Call it whatever you want, but that replacement is thoroughly supported by young people. Zoomers more than millenials.

Statements like yours incite me quite a bit, because I've used to say the same thing. "Boomers will die out soon and then we get to take over". That was 30 years ago. It got worse, not better.

It's the 1% vs the working class.

Not generation vs generation.

You’re banking on a generation of red-pilled fascists to fix the problem? Social progress is not a guarantee when older generations die out.

Your “solutions” rely on the Rule of Law and Separation of Powers, both of which were dissolved after Trump v. United States.

You’re about ten years behind what’s actually happening.

I agree. They should stop being republican lite. It's frustrating for sure.

But look at it this way: the Dems passed boring ok policies. Nothing spectacular. ACA? Sure. It's something. But on one hand we have lame attempts at passing reform and general policies that do a little progress. On the other hand: oligarchs tearing down everything to build a technocratic crypto fascist state. And even that is not enough to get people to vote. So, we can't get people to vote in general. That's the issue. We could have Cheguevara bringing the revolution to America or whatever, but these people don't show up. Obama was charming and bam, Trump undoes everything. Where are the safeguards?

Republicans on the other hand, have the anticrhrist on the ballot and they all pull up to the booth. Every. Time.

There is nothing they can truly do to fight without tons of popular support.

That's true, absolutely, but also there's only so much hype can do without actions alongside to make people feel empowered. Plenty of people go to protests, then realize they've just stood around chanting and feel like nothing was accomplished, especially after a few times in a row. So while rallying and gaining popularity is necessary, it's not sufficient.

On the other hand, using those crowds to accomplish actions, even minor and safe, shows to participants that this is a group and a strategy that can accomplish things.