Kennedy and influencers bash seed oils, baffling nutrition scientists
Kennedy and influencers bash seed oils, baffling nutrition scientists
Seed oils have been the focus of fiery critics from internet influencers to high-profile politicians like HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Strong suspicion that this whole trend has been beef industry influenced and or funded. Especially since they quite often decide to tout beef tallow (somehow as "healthy") instead of a non-seed based oil like olive oil, avocado oil, etc.
For some context of the other things the beef industry has done before:
Using checkoff money, NCBA [National Cattlemen’s Beef Association] has developed what it has called a “Digital Command Center” – a sophisticated online monitoring system that tracks media outlets and social media for more than 200 beef-related topics. Hosted in Denver in a space that “looks like a military operations center combined with the TV section at an electronics retailer”, according to a recent Cattlemen’s Beef Board mailer sent to ranchers, the command center alerts members of NCBA’s issues management and media relations team whenever stories or online chatter rise above a certain threshold. It’s staffed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with personnel redundancies built in to make sure someone’s always watching.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine
That was my first thought too. No grand conspiracy or personal mission here, just basic corruption by some of the shittiest people.
Agree with this but for full disclosure I am vegan. I think though there is at least some beef industry money behind the “anti seed money, carnivore diet, eat raw meat until your body expels cholesterol”
I'm vegetarian with most of my meals fully vegan - also as full disclosure.
However, I do think it's reasonable to assume that when a lot of money is at stake, there will be groups out there doing what they can to manipulate public opinion and stack the legislation on things related to our food system. Often, this is right out in the open, like the lobbyist system, PACs, and so on. Or in cases where someone like Oprah was taken to court in Texas for saying something about mad cow disease...Texas has their Texas Beef Promotion and Research Act. She ultimately won, but that's Oprah we are talking about. Not everyone can afford a nuisance lawsuit like that, so I'm sure it has a chilling effect.
And then, more recently, there are now states who have enough politicians under the influence of industry to preemptively hinder lab grown meats. Which I just find bizarre, you'd think the Tysons of the world would just get in on that early, as they could probably build on branding and distribution and vertical markets they already have and still make a hefty profit on it.
I would not be the least surprised if we were to find out decades later there were Big Tobacco like efforts to suppress, as much as possible, all the health-related issues with many of the things pushed as the Standard American Diet (SAD). And not just for beef: other meats, dairy, and eggs. Everyone should bear in mind, especially when they have found some random Internet doctor that is claiming that a bullshit diet like the carnivore diet is "good for you", there was a time when (compromised) doctors would claim that smoking was "good for you", too. I would not be surprised if we found very sus funding for prominent people pitching the bro science...
This notion of beef tallow as a health food, though....LOL. Reminds me of the "paleo" people that were consuming massive quantities of bacon as some kind of health food. 🤣
Seems like many people will do nearly anything to justify eating things they already eat and want to keep eating....I've noticed many people on the "paleo" diet still consuming massive quantities of dairy even if that was supposedly something they should cut out of their diet. I suspect many on the paleo diet just wanted a permission structure to eat more meat and declare themselves "paleo".
Now that sounds like a job for Al
What's baffling? They're crackpots and charlatans. They feel no obligation to tell the truth or to even make sense.
Yeah, they've been going on about this for a while.
You're right, "food influencers" and the "Manosphere" at large have been spouting nonsense about plant oils for a long time. That realm is rife with pseudoscience from people who think you don't eat enough meat and that eating vegetables makes you weak. They try to sell strength to people by speaking confidently about being strong while also making shit up and lying about it.
I'll never forget a phrase I heard about a certain type that loves to work out and talk about it with almost everyone to the exclusion of nearly anything else, and has turned to some way of trying to profit from that. Some times they might become a trainer or an influencer or sell supplements or what have you. Nothing wrong with those things in themselves so much, but it's when they make the leap from their anecdotal experiences to thinking they have any credentials in nutrition or being an MD, etc...
That phrase was "bro science".
Having worked for a company once that was FILLED with this type due to the industry we were in, I wish so very much I could go back in time with that phrase. Holy shit. I found them laughable and that's BEFORE I became fully vegetarian. The amount of unsolicited stupid "advice" I got, involving basic nutrition that they were wrong about was off the charts.
Anyway, later on, I became vegetarian and wow, I sure have had my fill of "bro science" when it comes to what I eat. Favorite starter is: "but where do you get your protein?" Holeeeeee fuck.
I love the Ron Swanson cos players that get their T levels up by strictly eating Steak, butter and Whiskey
Yeah, for the last couple of years at the food bank when they give out soy or canola oil plenty of people turn it down and say they don't use seed oil because it's toxic. People are missing out on perfectly good food because of these clowns. (I don't like the taste of canola oil but I'll still use it if it's what's available)
Hey Darwin, can we uhhhh, use your theory to speed this along a little?
They bitch about the Hexane, which boils off at 69C, 156F. Sooooo... if you're frying your chicken at 155F not only are you doing it wrong you're possibly leaving Hexane in the final product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane
These are the same people who slow cook turkeys at 120F
I still think avacado oil and evoo are preferable, but budget always has the final say.
Genuinely curious, why? I've been meaning to understand where this idea comes from. Or do you just mean preferable as in you prefer their taste or something like that?
Let me be clear that I'm no fan of RFK, anti-vaxxers, or any fad diets. I am a fan of evidence-based nutrition and practicing moderation. I believe that a varied diet with lower-processed foods is best for most people.
Avocado and EVOO are much less processed, which is generally preferable to more highly refined ingredients. Refining removes a lot of nutrients and concentrates what's left. That means you need a lot less of it to influence the balance of things within your body. It doesn't make highly refined oils "bad", but it does make watching your intake of them more important.
Specifically about the oils, seed oils are high in omega-6 and low in omega-3. Your body needs both and it cannot produce them. The issue comes from the fact that the average American diet has a stark imbalance of way too much 6 and not enough 3. Refined oils provide a lot of 6 but 3 is harder to come by. Getting a good amount of 3 means eating oily fish and nuts, and choosing more balanced oils for a more balanced diet.
The ideal omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is 2:1 or 1:1, but for most people in the U.S., the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic
When I deep fried I used peanut oil, but it aggravated aches and pains. Then I got an air fryer and that changed everything. I don't have a problem with evoo scorching. Avocado oil is hard for me to obtain without my own ride, not has a pretty neutral taste. I like evoo flavor, a lot. If I pan cook steak or chops, I just use evoo, butter, or a blend.
Both are prone to scorching at low temperatures. A good seed oil (or even rapeseed oil) has a higher scorch point.
Well don't dump it! Burn it for fuel at least! If you're goanna be retarded at least be a smart retarded asshole!
He's a fucking nut. How is anyone baffled?
Seed oils are great, but any oil can spoil/go rancid, and that can be unhealthy to use, which is often overlooked.