'Panic' in Ukraine as leaked confidential Trump peace plan astounds: report
'Panic' in Ukraine as leaked confidential Trump peace plan astounds: report
The UK-based Telegraph newspaper has obtained a copy of a proposed peace plan being pitched by the Trump administration to Ukraine that has reportedly set off "panic" in Kyiv.As the Telegraph writes, the plan delivered to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last week would "amount to the US econ...
Summary
According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.
The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.
The Telegraph noted, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."
Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.
Honestly, not even that much.
Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.
Oh man. He doesent care if he has power in a country or not, he just tried to free the Tate bros in Romania.
He just feels like the king of the world. We should not validate this feeling...
Ukraine is already struggling immensely with the US support. Imagine what will happen without US support.
The US has not really done all that much. That said, as above, others would have to step up.
But the US has mostly been sending old stock and then replenishing their own. All the money they claim to be sending is being spent in the US.
And anything actually new has been very, very slow rolled. Canada made the mistake of piggy-backing purchases on US orders. Air defence systems Canada fully funded (money to the US) in early 2023 are only being delivered now.
If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.
Pretty sure this is just part of the "give them a terrible deal they wouldn't agree to" strat that means Trump can say "we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want".
It's all bullshit and always has been.
I can already see this being parroted back to me by my relatives who watch Hungarian TV stations
You see, this is how Palestinian, resistance groups, and all colonized countries feel when Europe and North America made sure to suck the living resources out of them, making them cheap labour if they decide to escape their land.
In this case, Trump is treating Ukraine the same way they treat south america and other small nations.
So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.
Playing the role of Nazi America.
It would be a grand historical irony if the country that ultimately ensures Ukraine's freedom from Russia ends up being Germany.
"We are here to liberate you from the Russians....and this time, we really mean it!"
I mean, you could argue they're more like Fascist Italy. The parallel with Germany is mainly that they're already a great power.
The parallel is the country that Europe either appeases or opposes.
I hope they get it right this time.
Putin’s puppet doing his job well. The Orange Turd delivers garbage as usual.
Putin’s puppet
"Putin's puppet" is the ceo of the wealthiest country in the world and the strongest army in history. You probably don't like to hear but if there are any puppets they are most likely the 10 times weaker players
Or are easily manipulated narcissists. Trump before running for office in the first place laundered money for Russian oligarchs and an extensive and prolonged Russian based disinformation is the main reason he has the cult he does. Also key point: everything Trump has done indicates he is a coward. It doesn't matter how strong a coward is
Don't bother. People here would rather have Putin as god-emperor than face the reality of institutional failure that got them here. Twice.
So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.
Motherfucker looks like he’s inflated to Baron Harkonnen size
Unbelievable. Every day, I'm amazed that a man I don't even freaking know can piss me off this much on pretty much a daily basis. The man just literally has no shame, none, zero.
I honestly despise the fact that this man (as well as Musk) has made me into a bitter person who hates. I don't want to hate anyone. I can feel it destroying my soul (or whatever you want to fucking call it).
It's bitter, but let's make lemonade. Embrace it as the fuel to drive whatever actions seem necessary and possible to you.
Take care of that light which lets you see how hate is no good, although, maybe you can yield it as a shield to brace the storm head on.
We could get philosophical about who that 'you' or 'your soul' is, which feels like being destroyed, and wether it really is. On one hand, this entity will still remain. Though not unchanged. But isn't that a good thing? I prefer being capable of feeling pain, as it sometimes just plainly is a totally appropriate reaction or sensation. I know that feeling of breaking, but on the other hand, if I could not feel that anymore, I surely was already broken. Dull and unmoved. So in a paradoxical sense, it is an affirmation that you are fine, a fine person.
I know exactly what you mean!
It doesn't matter if the USA promises liberation from Russia, protection for eternity and the cure for cancer... the word of the USA means less than nothing now...
Ukraine has the same chance of benefiting if they just help that poor Nigerian Prince and use the resulting reward to buy weapons
the word of the USA means less than nothing
now…
Credit to Putin, it's a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.
Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.
What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.
The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.
If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.
The time to stand-up to Trump is now.
Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.
Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.
The reality is that the EU states are falling out.
Well... If I was China, I'd see this as a motivation to invade Taiwan.
If the invasion works, it works.
If it doesn't, simply wait for a US president that isn't able to plan 3 days ahead.
I wonder if Taiwan is mulling over a peaceful reunification with China as a result of this mess. Their independence depends in large part on US support, but with Trump at the helm they're likely to face extortion when they need it most.
Trump has already directed the removal of language saying Taiwan is NOT independent (pissing off the Chinese) and is trying to scale back the CHIPS Act (making us more dependent on Taiwan). Putting those two things together with this "deal" for Ukraine, it feels to me like he is setting us up for a Chinese invasion of Taiwan where he can make a similar "deal" with Taiwan where we protect them in exchange for 50% of their chip making profits.
The Ukrainians started fighting before any guarantees and support started coming in from the west. They are fighting for their own self determination. Trump thinking he can just impose this is just not understanding that the Ukrainians can simply say no. And when they do, his all powerful persona will be exposed even more for the scam that it is.
Russian battleship and American president: fuck off!
Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?
That's the free space
Nothing Trump has ever said has been "confidential" 😂
He could make a tweet saying he's going to destroy the continent with a deathray tomorrow, and MAGA fascists would make a tiktok dance to celebrate it. There's no Watergate this time around, only Leopard's All-you-can-eat face buffet™
Except that one time he had that meeting with Putin without translators, and he ate the notes.
No, this is not a joke. I may be conflating two events.
He did meet Putin with no intermediaries. An intern also reported that he would eat notes from White House meetings. I'm not sure whether it happened at the same time but I would be completely unsurprised.
Trump is not a public servant, he is a crooked business man. He doesn't think about making life on earth better, he thinks about ripping people off as much as he can get away with.
Sounds like my parents' pastor
So a mafia protection racket?
Except for protection.
Should bring up the whole administration on RICO charges.
Now the EU should leak a report that says without USA's guaranteed peace and NATO breaking up, chances for Russia to attack the EU are pretty much 100%, so better to tariff the USA to astronomical levels, use that money to fund the EU military and attack now before Russia has a chance to rebuild.
What I am most curious about is how long ago Trump and Putin first had a discussion about this arrangement, and what the quid pro quo details are. Because of course there is one.
The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”
This is an extraordinarily bad move.
I'm glad to see steps taken toward the war ending, but this is the sort of Big Mac diplomacy that's just patently moronic. Trump seems to think he can just order up what he wants and it's going to magically happen without any negative consequences.
Even if you're a world superpower, there's only so much you can demand of another country. The Iraq embargo, for instance, gave rise to Al Qaeda and the eventual destruction of the World Trade Towers. (And that was the SECOND attempt, after a group of terrorists tried to bomb them previously in the 90's.)
I'm quite certain that this deal is intended to be unpalatable to Ukraine - it was cooked up by Trump and Putin after all.
Either way they win:
Ukraine takes the deal: they win; Ukraine says the deal is ridiculous and walks away: then Russia & Trump brand them as unrealistic agitants and delay for more favourable terms and extend the war.
this deal is intended to be unpalatable to Ukraine
Oh, I get that. Still pretty stupid.
Like I simply could not believe he thinks he could add that. Even the most tyrannical warlords of the past didn't demand that much tribute from people they conquered. The Mongols and Romans would blush at this shit.
How is Israel paying back? Or those are donations? 🤔
Trump signs deals and then just ignores them when he sees fit. He lies about everything. Look at what he is trying to do to Canada who he has a free trade deal with that he signed and said was the best deal ever. Guy is a liar.
The telegraph is a right-wing outfit and should be viewed through the lens of that bias. This article repeats their undermining of Ukraine.
Also it doesn't mention much of a "peace plan", these are just Trump's terms to "reparate" him for all the aid the US sent to Ukraine. Ukraine didn't sign this exact deal because it didn't even offer them any security guarantees in return. Clickbait journalism.
I knew as much as soon as I read "panic in Kyiv".
They love to make Europe look scared.
Good job inbred Americans.
Take foreign policy issues up with the leaders who proposed them. Leave innocent citizens out of this, and support those who resist Trump.
Ethnic and cultural insults only furthers the divide between European and American culture.
Mmmm gonna have to disagree, as an American. None of this happened in a vacuum, of course, but our citizenry inarguably shit the bed quite thoroughly here, and now we need to lay in it. Fascism and oligarchy are the order of the day here, as are protectionism, isolationism, xenophobia, racism, and nativism. By all means support the resistance, but American culture is, at this point, rife with things to not be proud of. I’ve never felt more politically or ideologically alienated in my life. Our playbook is not it. Use us as a cautionary tale. I hope we can pull out of this tailspin at some point, but I’m not sure that’s a guaranteed thing - and for god’s sake don’t follow our lead here.
innocent citizens
There are ~90 million Americans who were eligible to vote that vote. ~77 million Americans explicitly voted for this.
That's nearly 170 million people who are not innocent in this.
I'm almost expecting Trump to come out of the "special meetings" with Putin with the result that unlike Ukraine, Russia agreed to pay up, so the US will now deliver weapons to Russia and, of course, drop all sanctions.
Why would anybody expect a genocidal empire to stop another genocidal empire? They're the same thing.
Ukraine should have allied with palestinians, the global south, and other people resisting invasion and colonization by empire(s).
Why would anybody expect a genocidal empire to stop another genocidal empire? They’re the same thing.
Nations don't cooperate/conflict over how many similarities they have (although that makes things easier), but over how much their interests are aligned. It is well possible for two genocidal empires to oppose as adversaries, e.g. Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, the latter being proud of stopping the former.
Another example, colonizing empires fighting over their colonies. Neither did so to free the colony of the oppressor, but to become/remain that oppressor. You can imagine these empires as much the same as you like, they can still have conflicting interests (as in who rules the colony, not wether anyone should) resulting in fights up to World Wars.
Ukraine should have allied with palestinians, the global south, and other people resisting invasion and colonization by empire(s).
How would that have helped them, apart from moral feelings? How many tanks, artillery systems, intel or even humanitarian aid would that have provided? Aren't the proposed countries more receivers of such things than donors?
Because the people are not the genocidal ones. They never are. If you were actually a good person who fights for the equality of minorities instead of a left-wing stealth-bigot, you'd recognize left-wing stealth bigots are no better than right-wing white supremacists.
I'm mixed race, so don't even try to play that card. Fuck off, and never be woke again, you heartless self-centered sycophant.
"Whatever happened to the non-aligned movement?"
"He's over there."
There's absolutely no sense in that, it would normally just be rights to it like they get the first chance to buy it so they have a guaranteed supply.