How do you keep up?

OS updates I only bother with every 6-12mo, though I also use debian which doesn't push major updates all that regularly.

As far as software goes; pretty much everything is in a docker container with watchtower automatically pulling new updates to those nightly at 4am. It sends me email notifications, so It'll tell me if an update fails; combined with uptime-kuma notifying me if any of my services is unavailable for whatever reason.

The rest I'll usually do with the OS updates. Just because an update was released, doesn't mean you've gotta drop everything and install it right this moment.

You might want to think about running a “stable” or “LTS” OS and spin up things in Docker instead. That way you only have to do OS level updates very rarely.

In life? Amphetamines.

For one I don't use software that updates constantly. If I had to log in to a container more than once a year to fix something, I'd figure out something else. My NAS is just harddrives on a Debian machine.

Everything I use runs either Debian or is some form of BSD

I use debian, so what's to keep up with? Apt upgrade is literally everything I need. My home server doesn't take a lot of my time except when I want to tweak something or introduce something new. I dont really follow all the trendy stuff at all and just have it do what I need.

First off, backups of the configs any user data that you can't torrent should the inevitable happen.

Then set time aside to do updates, I spend Wednesday evenings updating and improving my setup.

Then find a way to track update announcements, I use both an RSS reader and newrealeases.io to know when something I run gets an update

If it works, I don't update unless I'm bored or something. I also spread things out on multiple machines, so there's less chance of stuff happening like you describe with the charts feature going away. My NAS is pretty much just a NAS now.

You can probably backup your configs/data, upgrade, then deploy jellyfin again, restore, and reconfigure. You should probably backup your data on your ZFS pool. But, I recently updated to the latest TrueNas Scale from ~5 year old FreeBSD version of TrueNas and the pools still worked fine (none of the "apps" or jails worked, obviously). The upgrade process even ported my service configurations over. I didn't care about much of the data in the pools, so only backed up the most important stuff.

I run a Fedora server.

All of my apps are in docker containers set to restart unless stopped by me.

Then I run a cron job that is scheduled at like 3 or 4am that runs docker pull on all containers and restarts them. Then it runs all system updates and restarts the server.

Every week or so I just spot check to make sure it is still working. This has been my process for like 6 months without issue.

I dont :) Mostly.

Honestly I have an auto backup system. And then set it up to auto update periodically. Then use Debian Server as it almost never breaks as a server distro.

I use NixOS so if an update breaks, I just roll back. And since it's effectively a rolling release distribution there isn't any risk of being left behind on an outdated version.

Debian, baby.

Just subscribe to the release channel. That varies from OS to OS or Software, but is worth it.

Use tools that are universal. For example, I have not used TrueNAS Scale because they did not support native docker at the time. OS specific solutions are more likely to break then universal once (truecharts vs docker)

To get up and running again after a complete failure i can just download the latest config and data from my backup and set up any distro that supports docker and my system is running again.

I do OS upgrades when they are available, usually within 1 or 2 days and containers are updated with watchtower daily.

Is it exposed to the internet?

Mine is local only so I’m not as diligent with updates. I push them like once every 2-3 weeks. Some containers automatically update but some don’t because in the past that has broken associated scripts

You can choose a slower train for scale. Go for the stable release or even the enterprise release. Update once in a few months or so.

I went with Talos OS for my apps after the mess from IX-systems and for the most part it has been set and forget.

Use Debian LTS or Ubuntu LTS (10 years support with free Ubuntu Pro). Turn on automatic unattended updates. Upgrade OS when you're bored one of those years.

Keywords:

• Debian
• Ubuntu
• LTS
• ZFS
• Docker (compose)

Unraid + Unifi network equipment. Everything is scheduled and automatic, with the exception of large Unraid updates, but those are only every ~6 months. Every night mover from cache SSD - > HDD array, then checks for plugin updates, then docker container updates, if Monday morning SSD trim, and if 1st of the month does an array parity check/repair.

After all that if it's Monday morning, Unifi will check for firmware then software updates.

Sometimes a docker container will get a breaking update maybe once a year, and then I just go look @ documentation and see what needs to be changed to the config to fix.

Constant maintenance? What's that?

Here's my setup:

• OS - openSUSE Leap - I upgrade when I remember
• software - Docker images in a docker compose file; upgrading is a simple docker command, and I'll only do it if I need something in the update
• hardware - old desktop; I'll upgrade when I have extra hardware

I honestly don't think about it. I run updates when I get to it (every month or so), and I'll do an OS upgrade a little while after a new release is available (every couple years?). Software gets updated periodically if I'm bored and avoiding more important things. And I upgrade one thing at a time, so I don't end up with everything breaking at once. BTRFS snapshots means I can always roll back if I break something.

I don't even know what TrueCharts is. Maybe that's your issue?

I've got backups. Haven't updated or looked at my server in months. If I'm ever compromised by missing security updates, I just load a backup and regenerate all keys.

I don't put any critical data on public facing servers.

I have automatic updates on everything. If it breaks, I fix it when I have time. If I don't, it remains broken.

I could also just not do updates, but I like new features.

I have everything containerized (Podman) on my Debian PC and use Diun to check for updates and send notifications to a Discord server that I monitor. I do all of my updates manually so I don't update unless I have time to troubleshoot; if it breaks I still have the configs and data so I can delete the container and start over.

I also do monthly backups to cold storage (yeah, they should be weekly/biweekly but it's just personal data that I'm okay with losing). I don't use a RAID config or BTFS/ZFS like some do, so it's pretty easy to just set it and forget it. It really depends on what you're trying to do, how bulletproof it needs to be, and how you like to organize things.

I run proxmox on the host with docker in a VM for 90% of my stuff, OS updates I do like every 6 months maybe, I've done 1 major version upgrade on proxmox with no issues at all.

The docker containers auto-update via Komodo, and nothing really ever breaks anymore other than the occasional container error that needs a simple fix.

Everything important is backed up nightly using both proxmox backup server, and to backblaze B2 with restic.

Gentoo.

Daily automatic updates of the OS.

Services and containers are updated at random when i have time.

Its been many years, I have fun doing it.

Not a chore.

This is why I'm still using a Synology ¯\(ツ)/¯

I can install all the fun stuff I want in Docker, but for the core OS services, it's outsourced to Synology to maintain for me

Docker: More or less automatically upgraded (compose)
Proxmox/TrueNas: My setup breaks so often or I want to do something that I will check it every once in a while and run updates
Main Debian NAS: Automatic updates. (apt)
Raspberry Pi: Automatic Updates (apt)
Windows: If it prompts me and I am shutting it down amyway: Fine. Thanks for notifying.

I stopped chassing updates quite some time ago.

Yeah, everything that's already been said, except that I specifically chose an off-the-shelf Synology NAS with Docker support to run my core setup for this exact reason. It needs a reboot maybe once or twice a year for critical updates but is otherwise rock solid.

I have since added a small N100 box for things that need a little extra grunt (Plex mainly) but I run Ubuntu Server LTS with Docker on that and do maintenance on it about as often as I reboot the NAS.

I switched away from truecharts once scale switched to native docker and my experience has been much smoother since. TC had some kind of breaking change every other month, now I only have to worry about breaking changes when the actual apps have a major update.

The transition was way easier than i expected. First I set up nginx pointing to the TC load balancer for every url, so I could swap apps one at a time. Then I used heavyscript to mount the volumes for an app and rsynced them to a normal dir. With that I could spin up the community apps version or a custom docker config and swap over nginx once I confirmed it was working.

I have rss feeds for my main service updates so I know what new features I have, the services mostly run in podman containers and update automatically each Monday. I also have daily backups (timed to run just before the update on monday) in case anything does break.

If it breaks I fix it depending on how much I want/need it, mostly it's a matter of half an hour to fix it and with my current NixOS/Podman system I haven't yet needed to fix anything this year so it breaks infrequently.

Also why are you using Kubernetes on a single host if you want minimal maintenance? XD

My recommendation is to switch to just managing containers, you should just be able to export the volumes out of kubernetes and import them as normal volumes, as long as they're mounted in the right place you keep your data and if it doesn't work just try again. Not like you need to destroy the current system to slowly replace it.

Edit: I also recommend to update and reboot frequently, this stops updates and unstable configurations from piling up.

Ansible.

I run Debian on most of my systems and run all of my services in docker (with rare exceptions for node_exporter or stable core tools). My base systems get automatic security upgrades, and then I'll manually check in every few weeks whenever I feel like it.

My services in docker are version locked to a specific major version (when there's a tag available) so I can usually re-pull to get minor version updates freely without breaking issues. My few more finnickey services get manual upgrades from me every 6 months or so only.

I usually stick to an OS version for as long as I can, and to that aim I stick to LTS versions with long support windows.

4 major versions in 12mo is...a lot. Especially if those include breaking changes for you. Yikes

Similar to the others although I have messed with Ubuntu, CentOS, Fedora, and even a few others for like a day or two each.

At the moment I am using Fedora. My drives are raided and my main storage has all the data and the docker config directory’s.

Using docker for everything, watchtower for updates, and pertained to manage the containers with a gui. All the containers are directed to /mnt/drive/allMyData. In there is my data folders. Shows, movies, plex configs for recording over the air, ebooks, documents, etc.

Mainly I set it up this way so I can easily change distros if I wanted to and have all my services back up in an hour or so.

I started a text file that contains the command lines I have used to start all of my docker containers. This way if I need to I reference it and use the exact same commands mapped volumes to the same folders. Now I am back up and running in a few clicks. No need to backup the container if all the data in it is setup in folders in my main data directory.

However I am running a separate hardware raid setup prior to os. This way all my data stays safe as a separate volume.

I use Debian stable for my main OS for the stability, security and infrequent updates, and run all of my services in Docker containers to keep everything up to date.

I learned that I can't rely on someone else's recipes: in my case it was abandoned/badly configured unraid apps. I now exclusively use a docker compose yml where i control and tag specific versions. I intentionally stay behind 2 versions on nextcloud (stable = alpha; oldstable = beta), and for databases i stay on the LTS. Then i import the calendar from endoflife.date in my calendar app to see if i have to move the target up a bit.

Every once in a while i go there and i update manually everything

I've never used true nass, but I've never had any issue with keeping up with releases. I use a proxmox host with Debian containers mostly, and then I use ansible to do any major changes to the hosts such as replacing certificates or upgrading the packages

Being said my backup structure isn't the most professional, I have a 8 TB external drive that I keep plugged in via USB and I have proxmox backup server on the same host and it creates backups nightly

ngl the newest truenas version is incomprehensible to me. Makes most of the videos on it obsolete, and the docs aren't much better, all while trying to abstract docker compose in a way that makes it shit itself when you try to use anything not specifically developed to work with TNS's storage layout.

It'll probably improve with time but I clearly picked the worst time to pick it up.

I've decided either to return to https://dietpi.com/ or try prox mox and pray it's more stable.

In the business world it's pretty common to do staged or switchover upgrades: test new version in a lab environment, iron out the install/config details. Then upgrade a single production server and do a test with a small group of users. Or, build new servers with the new stuff, have a set of users run on it for a while, in this way you can always just move those users back to a known good server.

How do you do this at home? VMs for lots of stuff, or duplicate hardware for NAS type stuff (I've read of running TrueNAS in a VM).

To borrow from the preparedness community: if you have 1 you have none, if you have 2 you have 1. As an example, the business world often runs mission-critical systems in a redundant setup in regionally-different data centers, so a storm won't take them down. The question is how to reproduce this idea in a home lab environment.

Thanks for a lot of useful replies, everyone. Sorry I ghosted my own post for a couple days. I’m seeing surprisingly few people who actually use or used TrueNAS, so maybe that’s something to consider moving away from. I’ll have to weigh my options.

At least you get updates. I'm running TruNAS core which isn't updated anymore, and I have some jails doing things so I can't migrate to scale easially.

The good news is this still works despite no updates it does everything it used to. There is almost zero reason to update any working NAS if it is behind a firewall.

The bad news is those jails are doing useful things and because I'm out of date I can't update what is in them. Some of those services have new versions that add new features that I really really want.

I have ordered (should arrive tomorrow) a N100 which I'm going to manually migrate the useful services to one at a time. Once that is doing I'll probably switch to XigmaNAS so I can stick with FreeBSD. (I've always preferred FreeBSD). That will leave my NAS as just file storage for a while, though depending on how I like XigmaNAS I might or might not run services on that.