It’s a trap and we’re falling for it again
It’s a trap and we’re falling for it again
We don’t learn. Trump is a lolcow. He generates outrage over absurdity to gain media leverage. This recent media cycle is not an accident and I am disappointed that we didn’t learn our lesson the first decade of this.
He's drawing attention away from president Musk and the whole H1-B visa debacle — dominating discussion the week prior — as well as the fact he's not gonna apply Tariffs (other than symbolic) or anything about inflation etc.
There won't be mass deportations or concentration camps significantly beyond the current ICE levels. American corporations depend on migrant slave labor, so they'll just bribe Trump with cold hard cash if he's too stupid to have taken the rights propaganda literally; the entire agriculture and hospitality industries would collapse overnight ffs.
The MSM knows this. They are complicit. They're just propaganda operatives whose sole goal is manufacturing consent for the plutocracy that runs AmericaCorp.
Trans rights, education, medicare, regulators etc are all gonna get fucked, though. That's a certainty as they negatively impact, or are irrelevant to, corporate profits.
Every new article in this stupid slap fight makes me so mad. Mexico made a retort? Canada offered to buy some states? Who fucking cares dude !
(Good insight about mass deportations. That’s a flaw in my language but my rhetorical goals are still there, ty.)
Word. Ignore this assclown's rhetoric, how's the gulf of "reduced grocery costs" doing?
I think we did learn our lesson though. All of those things not being talked about in headlines (concentration camps, education defunding, etc) are what the majority of American voters want. Its not that Americans don't know President Musk (and vice president trump) are putting those forward, its that they agree with those horrible positions.
I get what you’re saying so no hate but…
Its not that Americans don’t know
Except, no. In most cases Americans don’t know. See: every single post in c/leopardsatemyface. Americans near universally prefer policies further to the left than the candidates they elect. Example.
The entire Republican platform is based on lying and then distracting voters.
- Trump caters to racist America by promising to deport migrants, but doesn’t say how that is done (detention camps and similar which are very unpopular).
- Republicans cater to transphobes by promising to ban trans women from sports, but doesn’t say how this is done (penis inspection day which is very unpopular).
- And other examples.
The majority of voters don’t want detention camps or harrasment of trans children. The majority of voters wanted Trump.
It’s totally fair that you didn’t know this, but I hope it can be vindicating now that you do. The gap between public preferences and actual political outcomes is massive, and is kept that way precisely by the strategic ambiguity, distraction, and misinformation that I made this post to illustrate. Does this perspective make sense?
You're being too charitable. All that doesn't excuse the fact that half of Americans willingly embrace hateful policies in the first place. The logistics of implementation are not all that relevant if you hear something like "we will deport one million immigrants" and think yeah, that sounds great to me.
The majority of voters don’t want detention camps or harrasment of trans children. The majority of voters wanted Trump.
...and trump and the GOP deliver detention camps and harrasement of trans children in the past and will again in the future.
trump's first administration had children separated from their parents at border crossings. Desantis of the GOP signed state legislation banning gender affirming care for children before the election. Dewine of the GOP has now signed state legislation banning bathrooms to trans children in public schools.
Trump caters to racist America by promising to deport migrants, but doesn’t say how that is done (detention camps and similar which are very unpopular).
So unpopular, they voted in the guy that says he was going to do deport people.
Republicans cater to transphobes by promising to ban trans women from sports, but doesn’t say how this is done
So unpopular they voted in the party that does it.
They may grumble about the methods, but at the end of the day, this is what the majority of American voters are. They've announced in a loud voice that they are racist, bigoted, sexist, and anti-trans. A majority of American voters want the guy and the party that is pro-camps and anti-trans.
In your OP you said that you're disappointed that "we didn't learn our lesson". Why is it that you are still denying this is who American voters are today?
No, people didn't vote for policy here. They voted for a person
I mean Project 2025 only had a 4% approval (and a 57% disapproval rating) but obviously that wasn't reflected in how people voted
People really did believe his lies that he wouldn't do that kind of stuff
People really did believe his lies that he wouldn’t do that kind of stuff
The lies weren't new either. If it was ignorance, it was willful ignorance on the part of a majority of American voters, but I don't give them that much credit. This is who we are apparently.
That's why they voted for him. That was all known before the election.
What we didn't know before the election was that it was the majority of American voters. We've learned our lesson now.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Take for example the fact that Trump made large gains among both Jews and Muslims in 2024. My explanation is that the war made both groups feel like Biden wasn't biased towards their side enough, so they went to Trump.
People don't vote for positions, they vote for emotions. If they're angry, they vote to show their anger. And how does one show anger? By doing something irrational, like if you're angry and you punch a wall, only hurting yourself. The American people were angry, and they expressed their anger with the voting equivalent of punching a wall and hurting themselves - voting Trump.
precise analysis, ty!
If Biden said what Trump is saying about Greenland, everyone would assume his dementia's gotten so bad he's gotta be removed from office even before the inauguration. But Trump does it, and everyone treats it as a serious thing that could happen. The reason is, Trump is so dumb if he has severe dementia, there's no way of knowing. I mean that seriously, that is the actual reason he gets a free pass on dementia.
Really puts into perspective why the media was so eager to get Trump elected. Just easy clickable shock value stories that require no real work effort or context.
Not if we collectively ignore it.
I don't know if you been cruising most of the front page today, but people ain't ignoring it
I don't want another fucking war. If we're war-mongering, as happened before the Iraq war, we shouldn't just ignore it.
infinite money glitch
Sheep gonna sheeple
Those who are awake are in the living nightmare
His style is definitely to bring up new outrage to dilute previous outrage. That doesn't mean none of the outrageous positions are not "serious". So many replies to these types of "trap/distraction" accusations are to "just tune out". This is the same as "vote 3rd party or stay home" election calls. If you are not burning things down, you are accepting your slavery. Tuning out is no path to liberation, and won't stop his agenda.
These posts are annoying and useless without providing real information. Pot/kettle material.
If you want to make a point, provide the information that's more important than the lolcow news crap otherwise this is more lolcow meta.
The woman on the right is actually H1B proposal that was dividing Republicans. trump just successfully diverted attention from it like he did it millions of times before in 2017-2020.
We learned nothing and we are really the dumb ones.