A woman made a vague threat to a healthcare company – does she really deserve up to 15 years in prison?

trump stole 500 million dollars from the state of ny... rapists spend less than a decade

this is a warning to poor people

Reminds me of the case way back in the day with someone who pirated music getting insane fines and how it was juxtaposed with the relatively small settlement an airline had to pay when its negligence actually killed people.
- It seems I remember Kim Dotcom ~~listing~~ losing his extradition case, as well.
She hasn't been sentenced and the maximum for rape is
For Aggravated sexual abuse with children: Life imprisonment without parole or any term not less than 30 years
For all other Federal Sexual Abuse cases: Life without parole or any other term
- Unpopular opinion: When the minimum prison sentence for child abuse is higher than that for murder, every child abuser has a strong incentive to kill their victim, getting rid of the most dangerous witness with no further risk to themselves.

I hope this case gets some attention too. This is some ginned up bullshit. We can’t let them stomp us into silence.

I’m not celebrating a murder, this is some fucked up shit in many dimensions and I would prefer a different timeline.

But remember we are not children who need to bow our heads and take our scolding.

For-profit insurance companies are liable for the deaths they cause. Full stop.

How’s that for moral clarity?

I’m not celebrating a murder
You can though, no one will stop you.
This specific murder It isn't morally wrong. It isn't hypocritical. It isn't compromising some foundational pillar of being a human.
Those who stand at the top of a capitistic, private healthcare industry made a choice to create, perpetuate, secure, and promote a system which resulted in deaths of millions for the benefit of shareholders and themselves.
You don't have to qualify your indifference or quiet your support. There is no moral quandary here.
This has literally helped people already. Anthem undid an anesthesia policy reform which would have not covered it in procedures after a certain amount of minutes

I’ll never understand how people are ok with limiting other people’s freedom based on “what if”.
Indeed, when George unleashed that shit, Patriot Act, I told everyone we are one step closer to forming the SS or NKVD. Once again, we have Mango Mussolini with his merry band of racist thugs.

I saw someone else say this, but I hope they start rounding up the incels on Twitter saying “your body, my choice” as credible rape threats if what this woman said is going to be litigated with such fervor.

Rape doesn’t take money from the rich and is therefore not a crime.
- So we should start raping the rich?
- That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. She could have said DDD without “you people are next.”

Having said that, if we’re really judging people, and corporations are people, why isn’t the denial of health care seen as manslaughter? 70 people pass every day due to the lack of medical care in America. We have worse outcomes, shorter average life than other civilized countries.

When is a corporation sued for murder & sent to jail? I know it sounds crazy, but that’s the point. These systems aren’t making sense. They lack humanity. This is a bad, morally bankrupt system. Older Americans loves their Medicare: that’s socialism.

I’m so sick of this shit.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.
They lack humanity.
If they lack humanity, why doesn't it make a right?
- Hurt people hurt people. I don’t know how to fix things. But if we go around destroying one another, what will be left?
  I think the system is immoral. It should be abolished. An absurd takeaway from that would be “health insurance workers should be jailed.”
  I find it challenging to say our humanity is through being inhuman to one another. Wouldn’t our humanity need to come from humane action?
  I’m as upset as everyone else about these machinations. Everyone is a child of someone. If we don’t remember that, all is lost.
- Nonhumans deserve rights too

When a woman calls the cops because her abusive SO threatened to kill her, they can't do anything about it.

No

Betteridge’s Law of Headlines. Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word “No.”
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No need to scroll further, folks.

Meanwhile customer service agents have been hearing much worse than this for decades, actual direct threats not vague comments, and no one ever gave a shit before.

That's because those threats are directed at the agents.
This threat is specific to CEO's and those in charge.
It's that simple.
Don't give them ideas

She absolutely does not deserve that. Isn't America the home of free speech? I guess not for the plebs!

This reminds me of Minority Report. Arrested by the pre-crime unit.

Guilty without the crime actually being committed.

We should erect a giant bronze statue of Luigi. Put it in a road right near UHC's headquarters in Minnesota. Make them all drive past it each and every day on the way to work.

It worked for that bullgirl in NYC, didn't it? Let's make it happen.

Where is her free speech?

Free speech is for nazis, as far as I can tell
In the freezer, next to the peaches.
- Ah, so basically next to the freeze peach; got it :)
They are going to argue it's not protected under the true threat doctrine.

She was released and all charges dropped. This was a silly farce by the judge and prosecutors from the jump

I don't think that's right. She's been released on bond to house arrest; the charges still stand.

It's called wrong thinking from the book 1984

So, don't make empty threats?

- Wtf are you on about

No, but they are going to throw the book at potential copycats to deincentivise others. First of many, I'm sure.

Prosecutors throw the book at people, sentences get reduced by dropping things, aclu better get on this and keep her from getting a stupid plea deal, and fight for free speech

- There is no goddamned way UHC doesn't pressure the prosecutor to drop this to avoid that recording going public because half the jury will be left with the same sentiment when they hear it. And when it is public they will have a lot more to deal with.
  If this woman's lawyers are smart they call the bluff and say "why yes, let's get this out into trial, use discovery to add context, and play that recording". There's law, justice, but the most important thing sometimes when the moment is right is perception.

Free slave for the state of Florida. I mean, they might let her go in a few months, but slam that 15 years jail stay bill right on her. You really effed up on the "land of the free" over there.

That "when they came for the ..." had already happened. Years ago. Think on that. SL

Oh, I missed it it's f****** Florida. Anybody living in that state is taking their own life in their hands. No she does not deserve to have the book thrown at her but her likelihood of that happening is very high.

The US justice system is f'ed up.

We have a legal system, not a justice system.

If Boston’s home is later found to have a bunch of disguises, a 3D-printed gun and a manifesto, I will, of course, eat my words and any hats that are available.

Those items will magically appear if needed for them to make a case.

You know what? Everyone deserves freedom of speech, and threatening healthcare CEOs is not, in my opinion, a breach of it. There is a huge difference between threatening vulnerable minorities and threatening invulnerable minorities.

Doesn’t a threat have to be credible? As in you can make a threat if you’d like to but it has to actually be a legitimate threat. This isn’t that.
Realistically unless someone says this phrase and has google searches of the CEOs home address, this isn’t a credible threat at all.
- You have to make sure you make threats so outlandish that you couldn't possibly execute them, like "I'm going to grab Trump by the ankle and spin around really fast, and then let go, launching him directly into the sun"
"Freedom of speech" in US Law means that the government cannot suppress ideas, expressions, or beliefs so long as those ideas or beliefs do not harm specific peoples, nor negatively impact public health and morals, nor negatively impact national security. In some cases, it isn't allowed to promote harm of protected classes including race, religion, skin color, gender, or disability, but in the USA that often becomes a civil matter.
If I had my way we'd be even more strict about it: hate speech would be an actual crime and sexual orientations would also be protected classes.
So a woman quoting a murderer who assassinated an insurance company CEO, directly sending that quote to the insurance company that denied her claim, is not and will never be covered by freedom of speech.

No, the executives, BoD and major investors do.

Of course she doesn't, but the ruling class needs to make an example of someone - they're not about to let us peasants get away with defying them.

Jury Nullification is my right.

The thing about Jury Nullification is that you have to make it through the majority of a trial. 97-98% of criminal cases (in the U.S.) end in a plea deal without ever going to trial.
- Sure, but that's on them. Taking a deal is always in the hands of the defendant. But if it looks like public opinion is on their side and the concept of jury Nullification has become common knowledge, that might be enough to substantially swing what's offered in those plea deals. Prosecutor might be generous to avoid the jury letting them off Scott free.
not on lemmy.world evidently

She won’t see a day in jail. She never threatened. What she will see is a huge payday.

- Her first amendment rights were violated. If the state doesn’t pay, the insurance company will settle out of court
She won't see a day in jail
Interesting, interesting... I wonder where people are when they get a $100,000.00 bond...
- You know what I mean.

Lol no

Did she say she was running for the presidency? Because in that case, she could take someone out on main street and she could grab them by the pussy too and nobody would say anything.

She should have tried to purchase a president or maybe purchase the presidency itself for a self pardon.

Joe should pardon her wtf Joe!

Shit like this is going to happen until us poors remember our place.

Just because the maximum penalty for a crime is 15 years of prison it doesn't mean that's what she's going to get. In all likelyhood she's getting a fine at best. This is just feeding the outrage machine once again.

It's outrageous she was even arrested.
- My point exactly.

This is so sad

Briana Boston is her name

That's for the court to decide.

For us, the people, to decide. You dropped your clown wig.
- When the court decides that IS the people deciding, judges are a public office and the jury is literally just a group of people who have to make a unanimous decision. You dropped your red star.