Amazon cloud boss echoes NVIDIA CEO on coding being dead in the water: "If you go forward 24 months from now, it's possible that most developers are not coding"

The only people who would say this are people that don’t know programming.

LLMs are not going to replace software devs.

It’ll replace brain dead CEOs before it replaces programmers.

I know just enough about this to confirm that this statement is absolute horseshit

I'll take "things business people dont understand" for 100$.

No one hires software engineers to code. You're hired to solve problems. All of this AI bullshit has 0 capability to solve your problems, because it can only spit out what it's already stolen from seen somewhere else

Guys that are putting billions of dollars into their AI companies making grand claims about AI replacing everyone in two years. Whoda thunk it

He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.

--Lao Tzu...

But coding never was the difficult part. It's understanding a concept, identify a problem and solve it with the possible methods. An AI just makes the coding part faster and gives me options to quicker identify a possible solution. Thankfully there's a never ending pile of projects, issues, todos and stackholder wants, that I don't see how we need less programmers. Maybe we need more to deal with AI, as now people can do a lot more in house instead of outsourcing, but as soon as that threshold is reached, companies will again contact large software companies. If people want to put AI into everything, you need people feeding the AI with company specific data and instruct people to use this AI.

All I see is middle management getting replaced, because instead of a boring meeting, I could just ask an AI.

CEOs without a clue how things work think they know how things work.

I swear if we had no CEOs from today on the only impact would be that we wouldve less gibberish being spoken

If, 24 months from now, most people aren't coding, it'll be because people like him cut jobs to make a quicker buck. Or nickel.

This will be used as an excuse to try to drive down wages while demanding more responsibilities from developers, even though this is absolute bullshit. However, if they actually follow through with their delusions and push to build platforms on AI-generated trash code, then soon after they'll have to hire people to fix such messes.

How many times does the public have to learn if the CEO says it, he probably doesn't know what he's talking about. If the devs say it, listen

Todays news: Rich assholes in suits are idiots and don’t know how their own companies are working. Make sure to share what they’re saying.

Of course they won't be; somebody has to debug all the crap AI writes.

Good luck debugging AI-generated code...

A company I used to work for outsourced most of their coding to a company in India. I say most because when the code came back the internal teams anways had to put a bunch of work in to fix it and integrate it with existing systems. I imagine that, if anything, LLMs will just take the place of that overseas coding farm. The code they spit out will still need to be fixed and modified so it works with your existing systems and that work is going to require programmers.

While I highly doubt that becoming true for at least a decade, we can already replace CEOs by AI, you know? (:

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/ai-ceo-artificial-intelligence-b2302091.html

I feel sorry for all those people in AWS that now have him as a leader...

If generative AI hasn't replaced artists, it won't replaced programmers.

Generative AI is much better at art than coding.

Sure, Microsoft is happy to let their AIs scan everyone else’s code., but is anyone aware of any software houses letting AIs scan their in-house code?

Any lawyer worth their salt won’t let AIs anywhere near their company’s proprietary code intil they are positive that AI isn’t going to be blabbing the code out to every one of their competitors.

But of course, IANAL.

Seriously how can these CEOs of a GPU company not talk to a developer. You have loads of them to interview

Let's assume this is true, just for discussion's sake. Who's going to be writing the prompts to get the code then? Surely someone who can understand the requirements, make sure the code functions, and then test it afterwards. That's a developer.

I seem to recall about 13 years ago when "the cloud" was going to put everyone in IT Ops out of a job. At least according to people who have no idea what the IT department actually does.

"The cloud" certainly had an impact but the one thing it definitely did NOT do was send every system and network admin to the unemployment office. If anything it increased the demand for those kinds of jobs.

I remain unconcerned about my future career prospects.

I'm going to call BS on that unless they are hiding some new models with huge context windows...

For anything that's not boilerplate, you have to type more as a prompt to the AI than just writing it yourself.

Also, if you have a behaviour/variable that is similar to something common, it will stubbornly refuse to do what you want.

I'm curious about what the "upskilling" is supposed to look like, and what's meant by the statement that most execs won't hire a developer without AI skills. Is the idea that everyone needs to know how to put ML models together and train them? Or is it just that everyone employable will need to be able to work with them? There's a big difference.

Says the person who is primarily paid with Amazon stock, wants to see that stock price rise for their own benefit, and won’t be in that job two years from now to be held accountable. Also, who has never written a kind of code. Yeah…. Ok. 🤮

!remindme in 24 months

If you go forward 12 months the AI bubble will have burst. If not sooner.

Most companies who bought into the hype are now (or will be soon) realizing it's nowhere near the ROI they hoped for, that the projects they've been financing are not working out, that forcing their people to use Copilot did not bring significant efficiency gains, and more and more are realizing they've been exchanging private and/or confidential data with Microsoft and boy there's a shitstorm gathering on that front.

Translation: "We're going to make the suite for building, testing, and deploying so obnoxiously difficult to integrate with your work environment that in two years nobody in your DevOps team will be able to get anything to a release state."

Me, fiddling with a config file for a legacy Perl script that's been holding up the ass-end of the business since 1996: "Uh, yeah that's great."

All the manufacturers of mechanical keyboards just cried 🥺

Cloud tech seller sells cloud

Nonsense. But then CEOs rarely know what the hell they’re talking about.

I wonder how they think that's possible, the attempts I've made at having an "AI" produce working code have failed spectacularly.

Can I join anyone's band of AI server farm raiders 24 months from now? Anyone forming a group? I will bring my meat bicycle.

It will be interesting to find out if these words will come back and haunt them.

• “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers”.
• “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”

Guys selling something claim it will make you taller and thinner, your dick bigger, your mother in law stop calling, and work as advertised.

I guess the programmers should start learning how to mine coal...

As software developer I am not scared that A.I will take away our jobs. What I am scared is that at that point A.I good enough to do most jobs out there.

All it really needs to do is replace large chunk of the service industry to wreck massive havock in our society.

While I do understand all of the scepticism in this thread, I have to say that I am personally amazed by GitHub Copilot.

I am just ramping up in a new company working on web development with Angular and Spring Boot. Even though I have 0 experience with this and have a background in python and C++, I got productive extremely quickly thanks to Copilot. Of course it does not work without flaws and you still need programming knowledge to wirte proper prompts and fix smaller issues in the resulting code. But without it I would be much further behind. It was even able to fix some issues in the html just based on a description of the issue I am observing in the webpage.

I do not think it will replace all programmers, but I do think it will replace some low level programmers who did repetitive tasks as the good programmers are extremely accelerated by only having to type subsets of what was needed before.

They aren't wrong, just late. Coding is already dead. Most coders I know spend very little time writing new code. Meeting/discussions about requirements, debugging, fighting with pipelines or tests. I once read that a good programmer writes 10 to 100 lines of fully functional, tested, working, and meeting the actual need code a day. I believe it.