Madlad posted this on the r/libertarian subreddit and they banned him

Ironic that Libertarians are banning things in their own subreddit.

Not at all, there's no such thing as a right wing libertarian. Just liberals who think their girlfriends shouldn't need carseats.
- Ding ding ding! We have a winner. If Joseph Dejacqe were still alive. So called right wing libertarians would be the ones he was railing against.
- That doesn't cover the Republicans that want to be able to do drugs
- My ideals are left lib, and I hope that social structure becomes feasible beyond small populations in the future. That said, leftism is centralized economics. And if you centralize that, you wind up with authoritarianism.
  I hope trustless and decentralized protocols make up for the inefficiencies in the long run, we're just starting to see technology catch up to make up for the inefficiencies of decentralized economics

Libertarians: people too stupid to fully understand their own ideologies

Libertarianism is for the philosophically lazy,or people born into a super conservative family and can't handle the cognitive dissonance caused by realizing that liberalism is the more Christian political ideology. Source: I'm from UT.
- It's just a smokescreen for selfish/embarrassed economic liberals. This was the man that coined and defined Libertarianism. Right wingers need not apply. The modern "libertarian" party is a necrophilic oxymoron.
- I completely concur, I had personal experience with this. In my case, rural Georgia.
  Libertarians are ultra-edgy conservatives who realized that typical conservative talking points are far too easy to refute and find contradictions in, and that being a conservative makes you look bad. They're people who are close to understanding the ways which authorities/the establishment work against the people, but are too brainwashed with conservative/anti-worker/bigoted propaganda to be able to adopt a more mature worldview – as long as they participate in/agree with culture war garbage like transphobia and anti-feminism/anti-SJW propoganda, they'll never be able to "agree" with any sort of leftist ideology. Plus they've never actually had taxable income so they really buy into all the false information & propoganda about taxes.
  The conservative -> conservative libertarian -> ancap -> social/environmental libertarian -> socialist pipeline is VERY real, and it's usually 1:1 with middle school -> early high school -> high school -> new-fledged adult -> experienced adult, for suburban white kids growing up in a conservative area. The less you're shielded from reality, the more you start to agree with leftist ideas (even hardcore brainwashed conservatives completely agree with leftism in practice as long as they don't know it's leftism).
They're just conservatives who want to be able to smoke weed and fuck children.
Actually scratch that; conservatives already want to do the latter.
- They already do the latter. They want to make it legal beyond child marriage.

Been banned from there. Basically only right-lib or ancap views are allowed there, left-lib (me) need not apply.

You think that's bad? Heh Libertarianism is a leftist ideology. Not at all liberal. They HATE us.
Heh and all the down votes without rebuttal prove it. They know better. They still hate to admit it. But they know better.
- Libertarianism (traditionally) is on the bottom of the vertical (authority) axis on a traditional political compass, if you want to use that. It is neither left nor right. It can be either. The people who have taken the name are on the right. They're anarchy-capitalists who don't want to be ruled by government but want to be ruled by capitalists. Anarchists, for example, are libertarian leftists, using the terms properly.
- Those downvotes are people's way of telling you that your comment is so comically wrong it's not even worth a rebuttal. I agree with them.

it's the libertarians... you should've said the bicycle lowers the age of consent or something.

[Hapless user] "Kids are allowed to use bicycles! Government requires you to be a late teen or adult to drive a car!"
[Libertarian mod] "Banned. It's not that age of consent we want lowered!"

Woke mods can't handle facts and logic

Whoever posted that doesn't understand libertarians.

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about and their lives would be ruined.

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about
I promise you that if you put a libertarian into a place without government regulation, they will still insist that there is a secret government regulation responsible for their lives being shit.
- Sadly, I think you're probably right. I used to tell them to go to Rwanda if they wanted to live in a tax-free utopia, but Rwanda has taxation now what with it having a more or less functional government now.
- You seem to confuse us with leftists. No, it's not the patriarchy/white people keeping you down. We're the first to tell you that you are responsible for your own success
I would say that whoever posted that understands libertarians perfectly, and maybe libertarians don't understand themselves and libertarianism
But that’s communism
Every Internet post about any political party is almost always about the wild caricatures people have in their head, because actually talking about politics IRL is a taboo because everyone is too damn scared and/or jaded to do anything but spout extreme bullshit online under an anonymous persona. All liberals are child-murduring blue-haired SJWs, all conservatives are rednecks bent on bringing back slavery and committing trans genocide, and all libertarians are secretly nazis or children who don't get how the world works. The Internet says so.
- I think you just probed my point for me.

You gotta wear a helmet though in some places, and depending on where you are you may have to do much more than that

Gotta keep one hand on the handlebars

Gotta have a light

CAN'T RIDE WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE SAME SEAT

YOU HAVE TO USE FUCKING HAND SIGNALS I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA NOT JUST AMERICA BUT TEXAS FOR GOD'S SAKE

(Fun fact, I actually met someone who got deported after getting stopped by the cops, originally, for riding a bike at night without a light 🙁)

(Edit: Also... banning someone from the libertarian subreddit because they said something you feel like they shouldn't be allowed to say, so you have to use your administrative controls to silence them, is frickin hilarious. Not that I am surprised.)

Tyranny!
And it does require subsidies... pavement isn't just magically there.
- bikes don't need pavement, just good wheels
- Hmm, a 40-80ft wide road that needs to support thousands of pounds of cars, or 8ft of bike path that only needs to support a few hundred pounds of pedestrians/bikers.
  I wonder which needs more of a budget.
- Subsidies and infrastructure are not the same thing though.
Well, there is always the libertarian community at !libertarian@lemmy.world to post it to instead.

The first time I heard the phrase "become ungovernable", I assumed it was about home gardening and biking and reducing consumer waste. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it was actually about perpetuating institutional inequality and "fuck you, got mine."

It's just another thing right libertarians stole from anarchists. I'm pretty sure Emma Goldman was the originator of the whole "become ungovernable" thing (could be totally wrong about that so take it with a bucket of salt) and she definitely meant it haha. Part of that is gardening and various other community building acts, but the other part is very "seize the means of production" and assassinating authority figures. Less "fuck you, got mine" and more "give everybody everything or die"
What do you mean? It's still an anarchist thing.
- Right-wing "libertarians" only know how to steal actual libertarian thought and shit all over it.

No ban on riding a bike? Apparently they never met MOM!

they hated him because he spoke the truth

I won't tell them to be consistent, because consistent liberterians are scary.

You don't like getting into very detailed conversations about age of consent laws and child pornography?
- I'm not sure how it's related to bikes, but I did get into conversations about age of consent on lemmy few times. And it seemed that people I talked to didn't grasp concept of different countries having different laws.

I think that could also have been cross-posted into !fuckcars@lemmy.world as well.

A very similar post was on fuckcars, or something related, a few days ago.
- I haven't seen

Yeah, american libertarians call themselves the wrong thing. The more correct term I find would be anarcho-capitalist, which is just all around a completely non-viable economic and governance system.

Anarcho-capitalism is actually perfectly viable for a "functional" society. Goods will be made, and the people will be fed in accordance with the wishes of the ruling class.
It's just not anarchism, and it's not good. It's just the capitalist class fully assuming the powers of state and production with none of the responsibilities to the people or any of those pesky human rights.
So, you know. Corporate Fascism.
But it would work. It has worked. American company towns weren't far different from what the ancap dream ultimately is, and they were functional, as long as you don't define functional as protecting human and worker rights and allowing for social mobility.
- That's fair enough I guess, I suppose I was defining functional as protecting various rights that technically aren't necessary for an extant society. On the other hand, I very extremely doubt any of the self proclaimed libertarian anarcho-capitalists believe the actual end results of such a system are what would happen, nor would they want such a system to be the one they live under.

Lol, next you'll be telling me libertarianism only exists in any kind of numbers because the fossil fuel and meat lobbies want to pay less tax and abide by fewer regulations....

No, of course, they'll still charge a levy for people using THIER stuff to make money for themselves. In fact, its their favourite part. They love that bit. They just don't think it should apply to them.

In the same way an employee using their software/clients/computer/factory/property will be charged, a state will charge the owner for using their educated for force etc. etc. The only difference is the state-ness of one of the parties, even when companies can exist as a state.

However, they'll act like you just asked to fuck their mum when the subject of paying taxes comes up. Then, theyll look you dead in the eye and claim its a moral issue, without a hint of shame.

States can do one too. I'm just saying, don't fall for it. They either haven't critically evaluated it properly or they think you're an idiot.

Nobody forces you to buy from a private business. But from another business if you like. But there's only one DMV in each state, it has a monopoly on licences.
- Wonderful. Instead of a monopoly, I have the illusion of choice.
- You're most definitely forced to buy from private businesses, even if not generally from a specific one, because you're born in a World were all Land has an owner (and "they ain't making any more of it" ) and unless you're gifted Land by your parents, you will have to pay somebody for Food since you can't even grow your own food or build your own place to live without paying for somebody else's Land.
  Further, since Free Market Theory only works for Markets with low barriers to entry and hence high competition (so mainly for unimportant stuff like soap or teddy bears) for many if not for most things you will most definitely be constrained to buy from a single business or a handful of businesses operating as a cartel, especially in anything directly or indirectly affected by Land ownership, such as Food Retail.
  Not all forms of coercion involve direct and hence obvious use of force - most of coercion in the Modern World is based on rules which indirectly limit your choices and if anybody tries to step out of those rules (which can be you trying to grow your own food in land you do not own or somebody else trying to sell you cheaper music whose copyright they do not have) THEN the use of force happens - you're not directly forced to buy from a private business or one of a small group of private businesses, you're indirectly forced to by rules making sure that in practice you don't really have other viable choices.
  Whilst I mostly mentioned Land because amongst the rules limiting individual and trade freedom Land Ownership is one of the oldest (all the way back to when Monarchs confiscated all the Land which before had common ownership) and with the widest impact (everything which requires something physical to be somewhere or to move, is dependent on access to Land), there are other rules such as Copyright or those rules regulating access to limited resources such as the radio spectrum (for example, mobile phone operator licenses) that similarly put access control in the hands of a few private entities and thus in practice force everybody else to go pay those private entities to get or access those things or anything that indirectly needs to have or access those things (this is how Food Retail market concentration relates to Land Ownership)
  In practice there are a lot of what I call "taxes paid directly to the private sector", caused by how the rules that limit access to scarce resources (or, even worse, resources made artificially scarce by certain rules, such as done by Copyright) place the access control or limited the access to only specific private entities, so most people's "freedom" when it comes to those and related things is entirely "you can have if by paying these guys or you can not have it" which when it comes to life's essentials (food, water, shelter, health) is not actually a choice.
- There are a few privately run dmvs in some states. But also a fun as it is to gripe about, I don't want a profit motive at the DMV. I don't want a profit motive just about everywhere.

Libertarians are nothing but Republicans who dont want the baggage, anyway. So its hardly surprising that they act just like all the other right wing subreddits.

Americans are in such bad shape that they think liberalism is leftist, in 2024.
- Only if you want to use the ones who "don't care for politics" as a yardstick. I cared too much about them and then emigrated to a country whose politics often confuse me. Go figure.

Just a frame, a chain, two wheels, and some grease!

and some grease(optional)

The dodge ram or just ram these days is the libertarian god.

Missed putting a bit about how cars erode fourth amendment rights.

Unfortunately, in many places, bikes do as well. At least in the US

Libertarianism really is the most easily dismissed “ideology” of all because it can only work on the foundation of a governed entity like a country or state which it can suck the lifeblood out of.

It’s basically just thinkable as a LARP pastime for the ultra-selfish.

forced insurance in the us scammy as fuck though

The last point is incorrect. Here in Belgium if they take your drivers' license, you can be stopped on a bike as well. Anything except foot traffic really. Chances of getting caught are astronomically low, but it does happen.

Notable American territory Belgium.
- Pretty much the only notable thing about south Belgium is the massive number of US military personnel due to the NATO presence. So yeah, you can probably make an argument about it being an unofficial American territory.
Belgium, Massachusetts is rough like that.

Fuktards.

r/libertarian seems kinda anti liberty