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If you’d like to pay via PayPal, contact our sales team.

For fuck’s sake, either you accept PayPal or you don’t. What kind of shady behind-the-curtains bullshit are you trying to pull?

The API for the PayPal checkout workflow is too complicated for us, but one of us knows how to manually type in the order details to send you an invoice.
- They'll probably send you the paypal friends link, which you can't use for business purposes lol
- Hahahaha, yep

I buy a lot of things for work and if I can find a company that has the price listed I go with them over the one that makes me contact sales for a quote almost every time

Well this one could be cheaper, but how could I even know, the price isn't listed.
- It's not cheaper, it costs me time.
- It’s more about not rewarding their disrespect and greed. Instead rewarding the company being open and upfront and not wasting my time
- If it were cheaper, the price would be listed
- If you have to ask for a price, it ain't cheap.
- Are there any notable examples where it is? I'm not aware of any.

I do the same in stores. If there's no prices listed I'll just walk away. I absolutely hate surprises at the register.

I "walk away" online as well.
"Sign in to get price".
Guess what, it's never a mind blowing low price. It's like $5.00 less than normal. Hidden prices are never a deal.
- There actually can be bs from a manufacturer where a site cannot list an item below their MSRP so in order to do a sale they have to do the bs like "add to cart to see price" or making you sign in. Sure sometimes it's not an amazing deal but it can often be the lowest price you can find an item because they aren't allowed to advertise a price that low.
  
  Edit: See comment below to learn about MAP "minimum advertised price" which is different from MSRP "manufacturer suggested retail price" leaving my above comment alone with its inaccuracy so that the below comment continues to make sense and you can learn as I did.
- Costco online is the only exception to this, for me. You need a paid account to shop there anyway, so I'm willing to jump through that hoop most of the time. It's still a pain, and I've definitely closed the tab a few times on Costco when I was pretty sure I was getting a better deal somewhere else.
No price, no sale. I tell myself that whenever I have to walk away from a product that didn't have a listed price.
What sort of places do this?
- Thankfully not too many, Often I'll find some things are marked but not everything in smaller stores like some grocery, variety stores, second hand shops etc.

I moved last year. I looked into so many companies that drop off a box for later pickup. Only one of them (U-Haul) published their prices and they were very affordable.

They published their price because their marketing advantage was price.
- This is why if there is no price I'm out - I'm getting taken advantage of
- And when it arrives on your doorstep, you realize that you just rented a wooden pallet with wobbly plywood walls and a thick vinyl tarp over it 😂
  
  It looked like a hobo’s shack!
  
  I’d still choose them again due to cost but I was shocked at the actual product. Lead with the price indeed.

Yes. It infuriates me that members of my species keep these places in business. They should all be out of business since absolutely no one should be buying their unpriced shit.

Short of custom work, but even still, give me a "starting at" price so I know whether it's worth my time to investigate.
- Yeah. Like a $1,900-$4,800. I've seen that a lot because even w/o custom work there's a lot of options or additional features/drawers they can add in. Sizes, etc.
- I wanted to get a quote on a mini split, or ductless A/C, the HVAC company said they can send someone over to review the location and give me an estimate.
  
  I'm not asking for a full system, I literally just need an A/C drilled into my wall, there is no need for someone actually visit my home to give a guess.
- I mean you are talking about stuff where someone hires someone to make something that does not exist yet? totally get that. you are not buying so much as hiring someone in that case. if it exists and does not need to be modified though it should be able to be priced.

Even worse: when you have to call to cancel a subscription.

I subscribed online, I should be able to cancel online.

Of course, it's also hidden deep in the terms of service that you can't cancel online. They know what they're doing.

Think California specifically made a law that whatever the sign up method is there must also exist that method for cancellation.

Laws against bs.
What is the point of consumer protection laws if brands can just write "nuh-uh?"
- We updated the terms of service. You cannot sue us for getting all your data stolen.

If you've got to ask you can't afford it.

If I'm looking at what amounts to a catalog, you better have prices, because your shit isn't that expensive.
3 star Michelin restaurants list their prices online and that's about as exclusive as you can get. This is just hiding the price so they can try to strong-arm people on the phone.
- Or get a sense of how little you know about the product/competition to judge how much they can get away scamming you for.
- Lots of these places have discounts when you spend tiers of money. 1.5% discount if you spend 10k a year. 2.5% for spending 25k and so on kind of a thing.
  
  Contractor rates basically, give us business and we give you a deal. So you may pay $100, but Bob can go and get it for $90.
Yep.

If I have to ask, I'm not going to afford it.

Guess they think they make enough profit in gouging those who call that they don't need to publish for the rest of us.

Same with certain home improvement companies that hope once you're on the line, they can close the sale there and then.
I swear they must make all their money off people who don't want to think about what the job involves, and just hand over a chequebook.

The water softener from Costco is £500, the one from ScrewFix is £400, but I'm curious how much the one from NameBrand is.
NameBrand website "Well, it can vary a lot depending on how complicated..."
Forum posts: "£2k including fitting and a year's salt, £1500 for the unit"
(Which isn't an insane price to just have it sorted, I just hate the bollocks excuses when everyone magically still comes out around £2k)

The physical staircase will cost me about £1000, then a few days of skilled labour for someone to fit.
I wonder how much one of those "we'll just handle it" companies in the back of the sunday supplement could do it for...Oh, that's 15 times the price, wonderful.

I get what your saying and obviously overpaying by 15x, like in your example is a terrible idea but, I will say, overpaying by a much smaller amount to save time is sometimes worth it.

One thing your example does not do, and its something most people don't do is factor in how much your time is worth. Is spending an extra $500, for example, worth as much as multiple hours of your time?
- I absolutely agree.
  Honestly, if NameBrand posted their prices, I might have considered them, as once my time organising/plumbing (or paying a plumber) is factored in, the difference isn't so massive.
  I just loathe the principle of having to get a quote for even the basic device in a box!

Guess i'll take my business elsewhere. Too bad nobody else in this world sells desks 😘

I'd guess they don't actually want to sell you a desk. They are probably in the business of selling hundreds of desks for offices, and this is their way of keeping out the small purchases that they aren't targeting.
- That's just lazy. They can put min order quantity to achieve the same effect.

Tbh I think that bugs everyone not just us lol

i have one amazon account i'm locked out from because i forgot the name i used to sign up for it (there are numerous ways i could've written it and they only gave me three attempts) and another one that's blocked because i incorrectly filled my credit card details while ordering a gift card and about to just create a third one because they want me to call them and talk to support for both cases.

Mine got blocked for repeatedly calling to say items were not delivered.

I hsve taken more I’ve given Amazon so that’s a win for me.
Password manager with auto-fill can prevent both issues :)
- how so? it would just offer me a list of possible combinations of name/surnames.
  i could've written them in four different languages (english, ukrainian, russian, polish), and that's not even including transcription into latin for ukrainian and russian.
  and also they don't even say if they expect name-surname or surname-name ordering, so the check is fundamentally broken and impossible to pass reliably.
  
  also the password managers usually don't save cvv and even if they did I'd have to disable that feature because I'm using dynamic cvv that refreshes every hour

yeah fuck that.

if they make you jump through hoops it was probably a shit deal anyway

During the call: "The table is how much???"