And if they somehow do, rest assured that red states will use it as an opportunity to disarm LGBT folk for being 'violently mentally ill' before the ink is dry on the decision.
No, it's worse than that. Constitutional sheriffs will simply refuse to enforce the laws with which they disagree. We have elected peace officers openly violating state and federal laws and they're very outspoken about it.
Red flag laws have already been on the books in various places throughout the country. Do you think the gun nuts just didn't feel like challenging them with an auto-win case?
They haven't been tried at a federal level yet, which is all that really matters. It's going to take time before a case makes it through the whole process.
Operated through the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions, and paid for by a justice department grant, Erpo is designed to help state and local governments, law enforcement, and others – including behavioral health and social service providers – “optimize” the use of red flag laws, Harris said.
It will provide training and technical assistance, including educational opportunities and workshops “for a wide variety of stakeholders”. But the vice-president also acknowledged that red flag laws, which facilitate the temporary removal of firearms from a person a court believes capable of harming themselves or others, are not universally popular.
We need actual gun controll on a federal level. Even just a register and requirement for private sales to go thru an FFL for a background check would be huge.
Until we close the private sale loophole, gun laws do t mean shit.
There's a reason "new in box" guns get sold at a markup on the private market.
Hint: people that can't but at a store will pay a premium.
I like guns, but I have too many buddies who buy guns, then sell them less than a year later and brag about how good of businessmen they are for making profit. All theyre doing is likely funneling guns to people who can't pass background checks. There's just the plausible deniability on their end that if it's not legit, it's not their fault.
What I don't get is why not open up the 4473 form to people doing private sales? You could have it on a phone app even. It's not like an FFL isn't doing anything special, just calling in and reading your answers off the damn form.
Red flag laws do help a bit and they are the only real tool we have. Even if you’re saving a tiny fraction of the lives you could with real enforcement, you gotta do something. There’s just no path to federal gun control now
Exactly. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Today's congress would be needed for more sweeping reforms (not going to happen right now) and the judiciary on that side too (not going to happen for a long time). They're doing what they can. It isn't much, but it's what they can do.
It's like $30 to run a background check thru a FFL, often less.
Like, what do you envision the process would be if people just looked themselves or potential buyer up?
Does the seller get the private information of the buyer and run it? Does the buyer just show up with a printout and a matching ID and we pretend that can't be faked?
There's a cheap and easy system already in existence that works, just use it.
We don't need more gun control, we need 'criminal control'. If you commit a serious violent crime, you need to go away and not come back out, ever. Taking away the rights of the people who don't commit crimes is never the answer.
We do not give people the right to own nuclear warheads, despite the plain text of the 2nd amendment suggesting we have that right (the right to arms, not just guns). Compelling public interest requires a limit on this right. I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with this premise. The question comes down to what level of potential body count/property damage constitutes a compelling public interest? Focusing on guns specifically is a distraction. If we invented a firearm that could level a city would everyone have a right to own one?
Title and insure all firearms so that even private sales will have to go through at least one government official to run a background check,
Require secure and separate storage of the gun and ammunition verified randomly at least once a year, subsidize the locker though so it's not just a barrier to ownership for the poor,
Require separate licenses for different loading actions and holding classes (one vs two handed),
Provide a permanent office that facilitates both buybacks and also display rendering for folks who just want to keep a hand-me-down for show,
Have a class of criminal and felony law related to the firearm titled to you being used in the committing of a crime or being found in someone else's hands without you having reported it stolen, especially if it can be proven that you handed them the weapon willingly,
Subsidize gun stores being able to build ranges so that people can get their itch out by renting for a day to shoot at targets since let's face it most people buying guns are doing it because they're enthusiasts who'll probably test fire it once and then barely use it again except to pose with it,
Immediately seize firearms owned by someone who is a suspect of a violent crime,
Subsidize replacing firearms for people who were wrongly suspected or convicted of a crime which got their weapons seized,
Prohibit bringing the guns into public spaces aside from hunting grounds and shooting clubs and events,
Post federal security at the entrances to gun shows and shooting events to detain anyone who'd fail the background check that's trying to get entry.
jfc what an absolute hellhole of a police state you’ve dreamt up. so many of your hairbrained ideas amount to “cops should have unlimited access to your private life”. how exactly do you think this would play out given the US and it’s systemic racism and classism?
Literally none of what's described above has been stopped by anyone except not being able to menace the public with your firearm, because yes, just having the gun at all is still menacing. Even if only you know you have it, every situation you're involved in is 10X more escalated than it needs to be because a gun is involved at all.
Also, frankly, fuck what the founding fathers have to say about anything, they were slave oligarchs who believed that letting women, minorities, or even just non land owning white men vote was too much to bear, so the old syphilis ridden bags can continue to fucking rot for what they say we should do about the fact that one man can annihilate a crowd in the time it takes authorities to even realize where he is, let alone do anything to stop him.
Robert Card should have been red flagged multiple times. It didn't happen. Implementing this nationwide just means it's going to fail just as bad nationally.
Theres actually good data showing that red flag laws do stop some violence. The reality is, it’s this crappy half measure or nothing, that’s just how our political system is. Yes, it’s a band aid on a gushing wound, but at least it saves somebody’s life