so, which Big Tech company do you think is going to shit the bed next and popularize its Fediverse/FOSS equivalent in the process?
I'm personally crossing my fingers for Discord.
I just hope this is the start of an internet renaissance with less corporate control.
That's certainly what it's feeling like to me.
I remember when I was a kid and the Web 1.0 stuff was popular, things like IRC chat and forums were too intimidating/confusing for me to get into. My introduction to being an internet "citizen" was Web 2.0 and the MySpaces/Facebooks/Reddits of the world, where I had a UX approachable enough not to intimidate my teenage self.
The shift towards the Fediverse feels like a blend of many of the best aspects of Webs 1.0 and 2.0 -- I have a UX that feels familiar, but one that comes with a bottom-up, decentralized grassroots feel that is reminiscent of the early internet.
I'm bullish for sure.
It'll be hard to get people to not only detach from something they're accustomed to, but also then attach to something unfamiliar.
I tried and am trying again with Mastodon, but a lack of users I wish to follow, a more confusing premise at times, and just overall more enjoyment overall (if that) with twitter as a platform makes it a challenge.
Lemmy however has checked all the boxes. It literally feels exactly like Reddit, and honestly like a fresh start to avoid the various decisions both Reddit admins and the community itself made along the way. I'm hoping more for the latter experience than forming when diving into the fediverse, but my above statement is most likely applicable for a wide sample of people out there.
I’ve been having trouble getting going with Mastodon. But I’ve also had issues with Twitter as well. Lemmys been great so far.
I had the same issue with Mastodon when I tried to get into that, although perhaps worse because I was never into twitter either (thank goodness, honestly).
Lemmy though feels like old reddit from before the Digg exodus, if anything, or like other old forums that reddit drove either out of business or at least out of sight. It feels familiar and nostalgic and fresh at the same time, and there's an element of hope to it to because it's not just another corporate monster.
yeah the corporate greed is at its peak lately...
I doubt it, things cost money, that's how we got in the corporate trap originally. If you invest a ton of time and money into something sooner or later you need to get something back.
I honestly don't think the fediverse will become nearly as popular as many seem to.think. It's still complicated to use/understand for many non-tech enthusiasts, and in the case of Reddit, while people are angry, I doubt most of their users are going anywhere any time soon. Some will leave, but it's not going to be a small number.
We keep going on about how Reddit relies on it's "creators", without whom they'll die. Frankly, a lot of the highest rated content is just repost of old videos or tiktok videos. A lot of that stuff isn't original, and the deep conversations are, in my opinion, few and far between. Sure there are some communities whi h have this, but they're not exactly over represented.
I don't have statistics to back this up, but I'd be willing to bet an entire doughnut that most reddit users have never posted even a single comment. People with that level (dis)engagement aren't the type to seek out alternatives. They just kind of drift away.
I honestly don’t think the fediverse will become nearly as popular as many seem to.think.
Probably not gonna get Twitter/Reddit-sized, no, as those platforms have userbases the size of a large country. It's mostly a question of "can we attract enough users for the ecosystem to be workable" and I think the answer is "yes." Hell, for me it already is.
We may be few, but I’m proud to count myself among those who quit Reddit because of this. (Not that I wasn’t looking for a good reason for a long time).
Reddit started out with more tech-y users, then got more mainstream. Maybe the same can happen here.
I knew about Lemmy, Mastadon, and PeerTube before this this latest mess with Reddit, but this finally gave me the push to come over as I'm sure it will for many.
@alehel @noodlejetski I'll add that when Twitter first hit the fan there was a large influx of Mastodon users, but it quickly fell off. Perhaps there are more tech-savvy Reddit users who will dive into the Fediverse than did with Twitter/Mastodon, but for your average user we're not approachable enough yet to overcome the inertia of familiarity.
Even if it quickly fell off, I think approximately 70-80% of current Mastodon users came from Twitter, and a big reason for people leaving (after poor onboarding experience) was the small size of the Fediverse. There just weren't enough people in the Fediverse for the network effect to take hold. With each influx of users I expect to see a slightly higher proportion to stay, although I don't see this influx (from Reddit) as being particularly large in the first place.
undefined> A lot of that stuff isn’t original, and the deep conversations are, in my opinion, few and far between. Sure there are some communities whi h have this, but they’re not exactly over represented.
If you get the deep conversations and the conversationalists the fluff will follow.
Discord is a likely contender, but I think it's likely to be Instagram. It's got a very dissatisfied userbase, and there's already a few reasonably active pixelfed servers
Why is (part of) their userbase dissatisfied? I know almost nothing of instagram.
Ads upon ads upon ads. And then for some it is just that it is owned by Facebook.
I'm not very familiar with Instagram either, but it's infamously bad for its users' mental health, it's recommendatiom algorithm is unreliable, and it collects a lot of data. Honestly it's possible that a lot of its regular users do like it and that I just don't tend to hear from them
As others have said, ads. The app is also overrun with spambots posting links to scams to buy followers or ForEx or whatever they're selling. The algorithm is really, really bad, at least if you're an artist of any kind. IG was one of the first apps to attempt to steal TikTok's short-form video format, which means it's hard to get your content out there if you're just posting images. And there are a LOT of content reposters.
Yeah I'm loving pixelfed way more than IG
Discord:
They started the software as a light weight voip solution for gamers. And imo they kinda lost focus a long time ago. It is now a sluggish, bloated, messy piece of electron software that has privacy issues and runs very poorly. They keep adding new features that are all paywalled and the pricing is just unreasonable. I'm not against paying for a service at all especially if it is free of ads but i feel like 10$ a month is just way too much for a chat app.
Github, but Gitea's not yet federated, though they're working on it.
Gitlab's a great alternative too, it's definitely more resource intensive than Gitea but their community edition is packed with features. A federated Git platform sounds intriguing...
I have been on/off gitlab for a few years but they do sometimes weird things that drive me nuts. For example last time i check you cant search a repo issues without logging in.
One of main things i use repo sites for is to troubleshoot and searching issues is a great way. Why put a barrier to that? I cant imagine it is a big server load. Just dickish.
Hm did they leave ruby on rails behind yet? Last time I set it up it ATE resources like there's no tomorrow...
That's big, I'm stoked for that if it happens.
There isn't much left.
First Facebook with their whole meta thing, then Imgur deleting all NSFW content and images uploaded by non-registered members, afterwards Twitter and now Reddit.
Twitch made a big mistake with their new sponsoring rules, but seems like they are reverting / changing it again due to bad community feedback.
Discord had a few changes the community didn't like, but nothing ground breaking yet. But they get more and more greedy and their platform is filled with scams, hackers, bots and sadly many bad people like child predators and content which Discord support does nothing against. They seem not to care.
YouTube, well, I think they might be next actually. More and longer unskipable ads, restricting or demonetizing many videos, bad communication with their creators and less rewards for smaller creators. In addition, they might put high quality resolutions behind their already existing expensive subscription paywall. There isn't any competition which is urgently needed.
UPDATE: Bad news about YouTube continues. Just now, YouTube Ordered ‘Invidious’ Privacy Software to Shut Down in 7 Days.
Which other big social media platforms are left?
I don't really see YouTube failing anytime soon. They have such a massive userbase, it's hard to imagine any other platform taking over anytime soon, regardless of shitty UX decisions. Creating a successful video platform like they have is an enormous challenge, the only reason they succeeded is because they were early.
@hampter @noodlejetski @Nankeru cough TikTok cough
In all seriousness, Google does not know what to do with YT. It is very hard to monetize. They tried to do whole TV thing, which fell flat on it's face. it keeps being huge money sink, and moderation is nightmare and algorithms seems to fucking up constantly.
They can't get rid of it, because it is huge, but it is not fire sure profit.
The problem with anything video is still that it costs way too much to host, unless you're a giant who already has their own data centers and massive data pipes. You can't just throw it on a cheap VPS like text-based services
Are you thinking of it as a centralized replacement to YouTube? If you're centralized, yeah, you probably need a data centre the size of Malta. There are decentralized alternatives (like PeerTube) where the cost is also distributed. If you're using PeerTube, you literally can "just throw it on a cheap VPS", and lots of people do, with no problems.
I think the real reason decentralized video isn't going to catch on is because video (and YouTube in particular) has not been a community thing for many years now. There are very few YouTubers who make videos to build a community or connect to a community. YouTubers are on there for money, and there's really no alternative that can both host the videos and pay out big cheques to content creators.
Matrix synapse and dendrite aren't great implementations of the protocol so people probably won't host them, but conduit is 90% of the way there. Another 5% and I bet discords start to drop like flies.
Conduit looks very interesting. Synapse is way too bloated to run and dendrite is way too buggy in my experience. Maybe conduit will become a better home server? I feel like the matrix devs just keep adding more and more features to their protocol, but they fail to implement usable servers and clients. IMO they should've kept things more simple.
YouTube has been enshittified long ago, especially after the Adpoclaypse
I'm thinking Twitch. Discord, imo, is just starting down the bad path but it still does what it's supposed to do very well. Twitch, however, wants to enforce rules on content creators that might lead to them leaving entirely.
I worry about Discord imploding because everything is behind the walled garden and difficult to extract unlike a forum board or playlist. The landgrab with account renames will be an interesting test for them.
Good news! Twitch is currently shitting all over itself with T&C changes around mandating exclusive streaming on their platform from their partners.
The hilarity is that some of the streamers are moving over to Kick, which is a platform that may or may not have been built from the stolen Twitch source code, which is just the most amazing drama possible.
Well, OwnCast exists.
YouTube. It will be a real loss because I doubt even Archiveteam could backup all the useful YT videos.
They're the safest. It has the highest cost to run of any other site pretty much. The amount of data uploaded is staggering.
They may deserve to be replaced, but a competitor has the highest hurdles to overcome. You pretty much need to be another tech giant or the public needs to have a new perspective on how to pay for content rather than ads.
For Discord we have Revolt (almost a 1:1 clone) and obviously Matrix and XMPP.
That client looks really good! thanks for share i will give a try
I think Discord is still too new and still in the phase where they're baiting users on their platform with superious UX and "verything is easy". They haven't yet started shitting on their users. But who knows ^^
They are already shitting on their users, recently they disabled permanent invite links for non-comminuty servers, if you want to get permanent invite links, you need to make your server a community, which I think it will make it public (not sure). In the other hand, Discord is still a giant cesspool of malware.
Nice, was just looking for something! Will have to try it out. Discord on Linux barely works. And when I stream gameplay to friends, sound doesn't work out of the box, so I have to use pipewire to combine it with my mic's stream.
How's revolt?
It's the closet thing there is to Discord while being open source. It's not federated though and it still doesn't support E2EE at the moment. If you want to give it a try, visit https://app.revolt.chat
I still like IRC and I’m surprised that it got almost completely murdered by Discord.
Matrix may be helping to dwindle IRC as well.
One can only hope so. I hope matrix gets a solid push when the chat gatekeepers have to open up because of EU regulation. If they can get invovled in the planned standards an implement them fast enough into matrix that might be a gamechanger.
I don't feel like IRCv3 is a big enough jump ahead either. Kind of like MIDI v2, 10+ years too late
Discord is doing a lot of stupid things lately i must say
God I hope so. Discord works fine as a voice chat and groupchat for games. But it's insane to me that people use it as a replacement for message boards or websites and hosting files. It isnt indexed so you cant google it and a groupchat is a terrible format for this. Even as reddit dies you have some people acting like a glorified group chat is a good alternative. As an addition and supplement to a message board or website community sure this is how it's always been even in the old days there were boards with an active IRC chat. As the replacement? Awful.
Teamspeak has a pretty slick new version that looks very much like discord. Not fediverse but pretty easy to self-host.
Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for letting me know!
I tried to research more about it, but other than a few screenshots it's very hard to find info on what's actually new in.
What about YouTube?
I looked online and there seems to be PeerTube at least.
I would love for something to replace YouTube, especially something in the Fediverse, but video unfortunately has much higher storage and bandwidth requirements, so it's hard to imagine that not being totally cost prohibitive at high levels of traffic, even if it's split across so many different servers. I'd love to be wrong on that, though.
The other problem with YouTube/twitch alts as opposed to reddit/twitter is that a lot of the creators people like the most actually rely on those platforms to serve ads in order to make a living. That content can't exist on FOSS systems unless they somehow manage to attract advertisers, which seems next to impossible
Yeah, video is just that much more expensive to store. I am sure a lot of current Lemmy instances are still lighter that some "cat meowing for 3 hours" video. And let's not talk about all of those channels that upload dozens of gigabytes of data on a daily basis. I fear we may never have a suitable replacement to YouTube (that it's not just another asshole mega corporation).
Yeah, thats why strata like peertube reducing costs with p2p sharing helps, or lbry (rip, I think) attempt to put in donations and tipping directly in was key for those to gain any traction.
Going further in cost reduction is what I am hopeful for. Better AV1 support and IPFS support are two develops I am following. A more radical approach may be using latent space generation from AI models like stable diffusion to generate frames locally instead of storing and transmitting perfect copies.
Fair point. I hadn't thought much about the bandwidth and storage stuff. Reddit and co. are comparitively cheaper.
There's also 'Indivious', which they've been trying to sue (it's just a FOSS alternative, not federated)
It is very useful, but it is just a frontend to youtube, not really an alternative.
Discord already kinda sucks, I find the app not nearly as smooth as before, and it tries so hard to choke nitro into you, it also has so many bloaty extra features.
Maybe it's just the use I try to get from it. Discord has evolved more towards community channels, and for that (at least the bit I tried to use them) it seems fairly decent. Most of the time I just wanna use it to play with 2 or 3 friends, I could definitely use a minimalistic app that does just that.
If you really only want group calls for a handful of people I can only recommend Signal for that. Just create a group chat in there. You can start a call and select it to not ring on the other peoples end and then you can just hop in and out just like a discord vc. It has a desktop app for Mac/Linux/Windows too so you could use it while gaming too. The app is not pretty but it's minimalistic and it works. Everything is end to end enrypted even the calls and video calls.
You could even screenshare with it but i never tested how well that works. It's free and open source. It is not federated however. But still the most easy to use and best secure and private messenger out there.
Wait a little until https://github.com/vector-im/element-call / https://call.element.io/ is done. It's not polished yet so I can't really recommend it but once it is properly intergrated in Matrix this will be my go-to solution.
Mumble used to be great for that back in the day. It is FOSS.
I want lightweight-as-possible app that just does voice chat for games AND facecam chat for games, now that so many people have those. With little overlay boxes for your friends, similar to what streamers do. Partly because this would also enable deaf people to play with sign language chat.
Just go back to IRC if you hate it that much.
Isn't that sort of like saying "go back to Digg if you hate Reddit so much"?
I hear that YouTube and Twitch are in the process of enshittifying, so probably them. Would also like to see Discord get replaced by something like Matrix, but I think the UX isn't ready for that yet. On the plus side, the Matrix protocol supports bridging to other chat platforms, so that's cool.
Matrix's client UX is improving a lot, there is the Cinny client that mirrors Discord's layout perfectly. The issue with Matrix is its protocol, which faces scaling issues because each instance joining the network is supposed to replicate the entire Matrix network, which will make it difficult for small hobbyists to add instances without crumbling under the load when the network gets too big. There is another Discord-like alternative, Revolt which is self-hostable and uses its own protocol but doesn't have federation yet.
This is not true. Data will only be sent to your homeserver if a user on your homeserver joins a room on another server. And only the data for that room is sent, not the whole network. The room data only contains all state changes, and a small amount of recent messages. The amount of state changes is the biggest problem.
Matrix protocol does have a giant problem regarding spam joins though, which make a complete instance basically unusable. Last time I talked with people related to the protocol they didn't want to or know how to fix it, because the need to verify all room state changes.
which faces scaling issues because each instance joining the network is supposed to replicate the entire Matrix network
Makes sense, after all matrix multiplication is O(n2).
I tried Cinny recently, but unfortunately it was a buggy mess that kept crashing and I couldn't even login to my account. I ended up going with Nheko.
What do you mean replicate the entire network, does it include all messages on all instances?
So it would be like Lemmy if everyone was subscribed to everything on all instances?
Yes please Discord, it is so worrying how everyone has all their private messages and content in an unencrypted app owned by a corporation who gives 0 shit about privacy. They won't even delete your messages if you delete your account/leave servers / get banned. In fact there is no way to delete all your messages
Feels like I've been stuck using it just by default, because everyone else I know is, and there's nothing decent fitting that particular use case. Skype definitely wasn't cutting it. I at least avoid communities that are trying and failing to be forum-like, and just keep it to ones with people I know, and my viewers. Still run a Teamspeak server for a select set of friends to do YT recordings on, as it predates Discord, and is generally more stable (avoiding voice dropouts).
Well some Discord channels are already synchronising their content with Matrix, using the room feature to mimic the channel structure. OpenStreetMaps does this for example. I wouldn't mind that normalising as at least, it stops me from needing to use Discord myself. But the fact it still synchronises back to Discord is, of course, not ideal. Small steps to the right direction I guess.
Replacement would be nice, but I mainly use it for some local communities which I expect will be the last to migrate. They barely got a start on Discord...
You can synchronize with Matrix? How?
With a bidge like the guy below said. I think the owner of de Discord server needs to set it up tho, and I don't run any Discord servers, so I don't know the details. But I noticed sone servers do it.
Personal Knowledge Management Apps / Note-Taking Apps.
After EverNote and Co. many people got angry / fustrated.
Since I found https://obsidian.md I'm actually happy with everything - as the plugin's are open-source, it's flexible and there is no lock-in as it's all simply markdown format. ObsidianMD is just a markdown viewer - but with superious UX. There are also alternatives to that like Logseq though.
After seeing this, I cannot imagine anymore to use something like Google Notes, OneNote, etc.
Also shoutout to Logseq, love this app. Open Source and privacy focused. https://logseq.com/
Check out org-mode in emacs. It's amazing.
How do you manage tasks in obsidian?
There's a tasks extension that will show all of the tasks across any note in a sidebar
Obsidian is super nice, but people need to remember that commercial use is paid, and fairly broad.
Very easy to download it at work and end up violating their license. Probably better to stick to something the office provides or a truly FOSS alternative for work, unless you’re willing (and/or able within company policy) to pay for it.
Twitch tried to implode a few days ago. I'm hoping for YouTube, it's too much of a monopoly.
What did Twitch do?
They were trying to disallow third party ads for streamers https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65834521.amp
Charlie has a good summary: https://youtu.be/-5zGuFPxW88
They've since walked back a bit, but the writing is now on the wall.
With people learning about Fediverse, I'm guessing Instagram. Why? Because IG has become overwhelmed with influencers and TikTok-like junk. The initial wave of people into Pixelfed will be techies that want a break from that scene. Their friends will hear about it. The friends that just want to have an IG-like experience to share their pictures with friends while avoiding all the rest of the noise will slowly transfer over. Once they hit the critical mass, the switch will happen. This will take at least another year or two.
Yeah instagram is utter garbage. From photo quality to the current environment. Pixelfed is a really awesome federated alternative though I don't really see how it could resist the same fate if it ever got as much mass.
I think there's a missing link in your forecast: what will make people who are not techies, who currently use IG, stop using it, leaving behind their contacts at IG? They aren't going to want to use two platforms, so it'll have to be a clean break. I don't think hearing about alternatives from techies is going to do it, IMO. It's how a lot of people keep in contact.
Network effect is really sticky. Most of the users of the internet were once techie folk. Now it's everyone.
A logical extension of your post really makes you think just how much of social media post-2007 was set up on fundamentally unsustainable business models. Engagement is not a good business model! Making investors pay for users was always a bad choice and sooner or later, investors were going to ask for their money back!
It will be interesting to see how social media changes post-2023. With Meta almost vestigial (except Instagram and marketplace), Twitter and Twitch absolutely clowning away their positions, what's next? Jeff Bezos and/or Daddy Sundar reinvesting in social media?
I highly recommend watching Louis Rossmann's video on Reddit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqL-G3GFqRU&t=728s
I'm 90/10 on it being YouTube. I mean, they've already shit the bed plenty in the past. But with all the fediverse stuff picking up steam, Peertube is just sitting there waiting to enter the discourse.
That would be awesome.
But video traffic and storage is so much higher than text and images (like Lemmy or mastadon).
The cost of running it would be pretty huge
True. It does look like Peertube has some instances with videos hosted on them. But yeah, storage and bandwidth costs would be much tougher problems to solve than for lemmy as soon as it started to scale up.
Man it would really suck if we ever lost the backlog of YouTube videos
Well, I don't think it will STB, but YouTube needs a FOSS equivalent that has the same capabilities sans ads. But, that's $$$$ infrastructure so I don't know if that will ever come.
BUT, I really hope that by the time Discord pisses off its users, that matrix or another federated equivalent will have figured out the UI/UX to capture a large chunk of those users. I used to live in IRC, but discord finally killed it. And I hate using proprietary software for so much chat.
Peertube is a thing. The problem with a platform like YouTube is that it's so dependent on its creators, which peertube just doesn't have. Although not FOSS, I am quite a fan of nebula since it is kind of a community owned project and many of the channels I was already subscribed to are on nebula too. I don't mind paying a few bucks a month to access ad free content while also supporting the creators.
I wish, but this one is particularly hard. Storing video takes a LOT more than hosting a text based service. There is peertube that you might want to check out though!
Oh I agree it's hard. AV1 helps, but until we get even better compression codecs, it's just not going to happen. Eventually, though, you'd think storage and bandwith costs will get down to such a level that we think of 1080p videos the same as text messages now.
Discord might be it but not for a while. Right now they're one of the places people are flocking thanks to their forum channels.
Discord is not a bad bet, but I think they still have like 2-4years in them.
but that i think would rather make matrix servers go boom ... literally i am afraid when i look at the various bugs and performance bottlenecks of synapse, which at least right now is the most popular server
Absolutely, I tried switching to it using bridges for all my messaging accounts and the performance was abhorrent, mind you just me, a single user on a self hosted instance.
Stackoverflow (not quite a huge tech company) is edging.
It's hard to predict - because despite the bad decisions from platforms like Facebook, Twitch, and Reddit, they are still always going to be immensely more popular than Fediverse / FOSS equivalents due to the network effect.
Despite all the bad moves from YouTube, Twitch, and Reddit, the vast majority of people aren't interested in another platform, they just want the current platform to not be rubbish, so they don't lose their current communities and contacts.
While I'd like for all the Fediverse platforms to become relatively "mainstream" that people will sign up for them, I don't think it's ever going to happen any time soon, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Absolutely right. What makes or breaks any social media platform is the ease of forming large communities (which goes hand in hand with the number of total active users) first and the user experience second.
"Fediverse" seems to suffer greatly from a UX point of view, mostly due to decentralization, which creates this isolation effect for newcomers.
Take mastodon vs twitter for example. For someone used to signing up for twitter and instantly gaining access to virtually everything the platform has to offer, mastodon has a big threshold to jump over before you can have a twitter-like experience. At least it feels like it until you get used to the experience. That's still the biggest barrier in front of large scale adoption of decentralized social media platforms.
Right - I think people are willing to learn things, but only if they have an incentive to do so.
Using bigger platforms such as Twitter or Reddit took some learning, but people and content were already there, this gives people the incentive to figure out how things work.
When you sign up to something like Mastodon, you have to learn how it works, and while it is not particularly complicated at all, why put the effort into figuring out Mastodon when you can just go back to Twitter and have the content and community already there for you?
I think it would take a while for any social media to have one, then again I didn't expect Reddit to shit the bed the way it has. If there's any that I think will be specifically fast, it would be Twitch.
Youtube is the least likely, no matter how many times it shits the bed, people stick to it because all the other video sharing services simply aren't supported by the big content creators.
i would never watch youtube if i cannot use newpipe : as soon as youtube blocks newpipe, exodus to peertube may happen
as soon as youtube blocks newpipe, exodus to peertube may happen
I'm willing to bet that the percentage of people watching Youtube via Newpipe is at least an order of magnitude smaller than of people browsing reddit through third party clients.
Matrix, what seems to be the most ovious replacement to Discord, is an incredible piece of software from a technical point of view. It have Conflict-free Replicated Datatype, which give an hard guarantee that no message will be skipped over and old message will also be fetched. Something that ActivityPub doesn't permit, and is quite a problem with Mastodon at times (much less on lemmy, given you follow communities, and so everything on these communities will be synced, thought not backfilling)
The day I don't see "join our Discord" where I would earlier expect to find "visit our forums" will be a good day.
A bloated live chat monolith is not what I want to use to discuss game bugs or podcast episodes.
that's my biggest pet peeve, too.
GloriousEggroll, the mastermind behind modified version of Valve's Proton, posts his code on GitHub, and then links to his Discord as a place for reporting bugs.
I actually quit using his Linux distro in large part because the communications were so terrible with Discord being the only way he disseminates information (so so poorly).
There were issues and the necessary information couldn't flow effectively in either direction.
Thats uhhh… interesting. Why..?
Agreed. Live chat has its place for certain things, but for other things a forum type interface is better suited.
Yeah, several groups of friends of mine are using Discord to chat and arrange roleplaying nights and such. I use those regularly. But I've got several "project" Discords that are forum replacements and I find I almost never go there. Certainly never when I don't have some specific goal I'm trying to fulfil.
Ab. So. Fucking. Lutely.
Revolt seems to be to Discord what lemmy/kbin are to reddit, but I dont see most people bothering with it unless discord makes some reeaaallly huge mistakes to piss the community off.
People seem pretty annoyed at the changes to usernames, but probably not enough to leave Discord.
Completely agree! Especially if it some kind of product support. I hate having to scroll through thousands of chronically ordered chat messages to find the solution to the problem I'm having.
So much!
It's just hard to really focus on the content. Short term chatting? Ok! Longterm discussion? BAD!
Discord is a replacement for Skype and IRC. People use it as a substitute for all that plus forums and sometimes an entire website and it’s exhausting.