Electric vehicles fail at a lower rate than gas cars in extreme cold | Electrek

Imagine a world where EV1 kicked off the EV revolution in the 90s and 2000s, and we were living 15 years in the future.

Huh, had no idea about the EV1. I'm bitter that the Volt was cancelled.

You can, but not in a closed garage. Granted, if you had that the cabin wouldn't be quite as cold.

It's not really the same. My last car with remote start would only run the car for ten minutes before shutting down, which was hardly enough to warm the engine up on cold days. Meanwhile my EV fully heats the cabin in about 5 minutes and will melt a few inches of snow off the car in ten.

Also, when I run errands I leave the heat/AC on basically the entire time. Can't really do that with an ICE even in places where it's not illegal to idle for extended periods of time.

Yeah but I’ve only seen start ….

I went from a ln ICE car where remote start would have been a subscription item. It only started the engine, although a warm engine is the most important part of heating the car. You had to remember to set everything

My current EV has that included among many features in the app. I can schedule when the car is warm or have dedicated buttons for on and defrost. Clicking on, I have complete control over every part of the heating system, including which seats to heat.

For me it’s a much better experience, although admittedly because the car is more computerized and the manufacturer is not trying to nickel and dime me with subscriptions, and could happen in an ICE car

Some ICE cars also allow you to remotely pre-start

But you cannot do that in the garage (unless you like huffing exhaust fumes).

Welcome to my morning walk with the dogs every morning where its colder then 35F. Every fucking car in my neighborhood does this bullshit and when there's little to no wind, all that exhaust doesn't go anywhere and just sits at ground level where I get to breathe it in for an hour. It stick at the back of my throat for the rest of the day. Add to that snowblowers after even less than an inch of snow.

I can't fucking wait for EVs to gain market share. Its fucking disgusting what my neighbors find acceptable.

The only enjoyment I find in this situation is people that back into their garages then warm up their car while still parked in their garage, spewing that exhaust into there instead of outside. I'll never understand what brain logic leads them to that solution but it's the same people doing it every morning.

Edit: I should add that the other great thing about people doing this is the rise of car thefts since some of these people also just turn their car on, leave the keys in the car, leave it unlocked and go back indoors because it's cold

It's just that it's incredibly wasteful/polluting.

Which actually makes it illegal in some countries, too

IIRC you can fit an ICE vehicle with an electric engine block heater which will use mains electricity to heat the water and circulate it through the engine. So you run an extension cord out to your car, leave it plugged in and turn it on half an hour before you leave.

My grandpa would do that back in the sixties. Luckily some things do change.

It's not good for the car, either. Cars aren't meant to idle; cars are made to have all fluids moving & the car rolling down the road.

I treat my car to a gentle warm-up when it's cold outside; I start the car & start driving, but only 20-30 mph for the first 5-8 minutes. All the components of the car are gently being used, are slowly warming up, together. I think my car runs better for it.

Even phevs have this availability. Loving our Mazda cx90 for this feature. Can program their app to have it start warming 15-20 mins before my wife leaves for work and it's ready to go and comfortable.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I have a Model 3 and use it as my daily driver but have also done at least 4 cross country trips, two of which were in summer, one in spring, and one in winter.

For daily driving I can absolutely tell a difference in my range in the winter time and I do have a charger at home and car set to precondition. Preconditioning does make a big difference but it doesn’t completely offset the cold. Furthermore when it’s time to drive home from work I either have to drive on a cold battery or try to precondition without a charger.

During the recent cold snap (single digit Fahrenheit temps) I did an experiment with this where I started trying to precondition two hours before I left work. I just wanted to see how much battery it would take to precondition and ultimately test if that would be better than driving home cold. After two hours the battery was still not preconditioned sufficiently and I had used 20% of my battery. I would definitely have been better to just drive on a cold battery.

On long distance drives I have also found that the range suffers noticeably during winter weather. On my cross country winter trip it seemed like had about 15-20% less range between charges. And since I was driving all day and supercharging, the battery was fully conditioned the whole time. Didn’t prevent decreased range in the cold though.

This is just plain wrong.
We have two EV's in Norway (cold as fuck at times) and there is no way to manage the same range in winter as in summer.
Sure you can mitigate some of it by preheating both the cabin and the battery, but the heater working harder to maintain the temperature when it's cold outside and the added friction of driving on snow is always going to be there

That's because of the design of the heater the heater actually blew air across the exhaust manifolds and then into the cabin it was frequent for that plumbing to end up with holes in it letting all that heat Escape but also letting exhaust gases into your cabin So Not only would it freeze you out but it tried to kill you and asphyxiate you with carbon monoxide

Only if you didn't get the extra gasoline heater that mounted under trunk hood, I owned a 1965 Beetle in my youth. Those would cook you well done in minutes in the coldest temperatures. Turns out it's hard to get good heat from an air cooled engine.

Then you are truly a margin case and need to stop shoveling your irrelevant opinion into a greater conversation.

These people that come along and go "EV's are no good cos I live 50 + miles from the nearest shop and I'm not willing to pause and let my vehicle charge for 20 mins when I am there." They are taking the piss out of everyone by butting into conversation and making their demands.

Also depends on the environment. Down here in central Texas you can't expect the el cheapo batteries to last more than 2 or so years because the summer heat is brutal on them.

From the replies I've been getting, I think so.

Sounds like a great car! It does seem like something's wrong with the battery so a replacement is in order.

Yeah when I saw the pictures with all the white 3s, I guessed they were hertz rentals used by ride share drivers (because hertz is renting them at really low rates) who either don’t know much about their cars or deliberately run them down to near zero to max their fares.