67% of Arab world: October 7 was 'legitimate resistance' against Israel
67% of Arab world: October 7 was 'legitimate resistance' against Israel
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67% of Arab world: October 7 was 'legitimate resistance' against Israel
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How is the really of an opinion poll painting them as a monolith? It's literally saying they have different opinions.
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In that case, I’m sure you’d have an issue with a publication writing “99% of Europeans think Hitler was bad”, despite it being a bunch of different nations.
Or, is it “eh white is white” for you?
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This doesn't seem any different from polling Western countries and writing a title about what the Western world thinks. Doesn't make me think of a monolith.
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Considering how the Arab world at large never agreed with the terms of Israel's conquest, this makes sense.
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The Israelis themselves know it but deny it. I am confident that one day sooner or later, Palestine will be liberated like Ireland, Algeria and South Africa before it.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
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How the fuck did you even interview them? The governments of many Arab countries in this survey would kidnap and jail you indefinitely without trail if you support Palestine in public or on social media, and many other cave in to what they are expected to say. It's garbage in garbage out
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According to Israel bombing hospitals and refugee camps is legitimate defense. They clearly deserve each other.
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Imagine thinking millions of people "deserve" to be used as pawns and cannon fodder by their own governments as well as the international "community".. 🤢
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It's pretty well established that Hamas used those places, making them valid military targets. If you want to be pissed at anyone over them being hit, be pissed at Hamas.
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No. No it's not. At all. Israel went back on the hospital tunnel claims because they couldn't fabricate enough "evidence". Many, many other strikes are exactly the same. They bomb and kill dozens on the hunch there is one militant. That's a war crime no matter what side you are on, unless you are on the side of genocide and death.
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The border towns had armed security and IDF soldiers lived within them. Does that make them legitimate targets as well?
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Yeah sorry we killed you in hospital bro but we think some like, really bad guys were there. So really if you think about it, it's all their fault.
Yeah sorry we blew up the school bro but we we think some like, really bad guys were there. So really if you think about it, it's all their fault.
Yeah sorry we blew up the refugee camp bro but...
On and on and on for like 100 days now as the majority of Gaza has been flattened and 22k+ people have died, mostly innocents. Nobody believes you. This. Shit. Doesn't. Work. Try arguing something else for God's sake.
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I have no idea about the hospitals and refugee camps. I just know 20,000 Palestinians have died, mostly women and children, and including dozens of journalists and aid workers.
If Israel wants to avoid civilian casualties, they should pass the message along to the Israeli army.
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Here's a guy that doesn't want murderers to face consequences for their actions.
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I'm surprised it is this low.
Edit: the comments are hell. But what else to except from propagandized westerners that never cared to know from Arabs.
I wish our leaders had a sense of shame or honour, instead many of them are collaborators.
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
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Not to be pedantic but I'd to clarify one aspect that not many people know.
He was right, except for one. At least from the perspective of those Muslim Arab leaders:
Our God is not theirs.
Islam is an Abrahamic religion, regarded by the Muslim as a continuation of the Abrahamic religions before it. So the muslim regard themselves as having the same god as the Jews and the Christians. Thus, the prophets of the Jewish religion (and even the prophets of the Christianity, Jesus) are also regarded as prophets in Islam. Many of them are mentioned in Quran in good faith. The main difference is the jewish doesn't recognize Muhammad as their prophet while the Muslim regards Muhammad as the last prophet in addition to those before him.
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To me, the crazy thing is that 33% of the Arab world doesn't think it was legitimate resistance.
The October 7th attack was clearly terrorism. But to have such a big percentage of the Arab world seem to agree with that, even in such an insanely one-sided situation as the ongoing occupation of Gaza, means:
A lot of people want peace.
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Everyone wants peace for themselves and their allies. What's important is how many people want peace for the other guy too.
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Palestinians want to live peace with each other. Israelis are the ones that want to go full Nazi and exterminate all Palestinians because they believe they are the Ubermensch.
The west bank being terrorized by ZioNazis is all the proof one needs.
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Well, but what I'm saying is that (edit:
calling it terrorism) saying it wasn't legitimate is kind of wanting peace for the other guy too.I'd be surprised if 33% of Americans or Israelis thought that the invasion of Gaza was illegitimate. Maybe they would though, I honestly don't know.
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I think it is interesting how many people think there will ever be peace while Hamas is in charge, or that Hamas will ever let someone else be in charge.
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Nobody in power ever "lets" someone else have it instead.
On the first part, I agree; both Likud and Hamas are hell-bent on this outcome. If only the one of them would stop giving the other money to keep them both going.
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Yes tell us what we want. تهريج 🤡
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You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?
57% sounds empirical and they even have cool little charts to go with it. Best case scenario it was: you got someone who doesn't want to talk to you to talk to you for five minutes, or you set the stage for a talkative bastard to talkative bastard at you until you can break free. Neither are particularly good windows into their actual thoughts about Thing X but furthermore all the responses usually total like 0.000028% of the population.
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Cool, Israel’s current campaign is legitimate resistance to Hamas aggression as well.
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No doubt about that. minus some bad details .
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When you're defending beheading children as "legitimate resistance" when you should probably take a step back and take a long hard look at yourself.
And no, before idiots come along and say dumb shit.... That doesn't mean I'm defending Israel's actions either. It's possible to dislike both situations.
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There’s no evidence Hamas beheaded children. IIRC that was a rumor originating from the IDF which remains unsubstantiated.
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If they had any proof of "Beheading children" they would have submitted to the International Court of Justice. but they didn't, they haven't even dared use that sentence. but here your are parroting your Zionist Hasbara Lies and defending a genocidal agenda that have been in the working for over a century
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This is Zionist propganda.
No beheaded children nor rapes happened.
Only some Thai migrant men that got mutilated after they were already shot dead.
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Show me 40 decapitated babies and I will start believing the IDF
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If intentionally raping and killing civilians is "legitimate resistance" I feel sorry for this world.
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Hamas and PIJ deliberately targeted civilians and committed atrocities. There is no part of those actions that can even remotely be colored as legitimate. It was attempted genocide as the intent was the destruction of all Israelis living near the border and sparking a war to end the existence of Israel.
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I don't think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can't forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn't exactly a properly trained modern army (I mean those also commit warcrimes and we don't blame it on leadership unless provable) and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.
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I mean it's doing more damage to Israel than a century of peace could, so I don't think "stupid" applies. Whether it was right to do it when the response would predictably be like this is another story, but due to October 7th support for Israel is now more controversial than ever before.
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Ah yes, an israeli Zionist propaganda outlet posting Zionist propaganda from a known Zionist lemming. Must be very obective
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Whoever agree with the "legitimate resistance" legitimates everything in this website:
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I don’t think you want to play the game of who can show who did worse things.
It is Israel, 100%.
Israel has killed 20 times that number and leveled whole families and neighborhoods slaughtering tons of innocent children.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The al-Aqsa Mosque has been a source of tension as it is located above the Temple Mount, a holy site for both Jews and Christians.
While non-Muslims now have permission to attend their holy site via the Moors Gate, they are forbidden from praying there which has created increased tension.
Palestinians, before October 7, had been permitted to enter Israel with proper documentation for work, medical treatments or for other reasons.
When asked about the responses of regional and international powers to the war, 94% said they considered the United States position negatively, with 82% clarifying they thought it was bad.
The same trend continued for other Western countries with 79%, 78%, and 75% of respondents viewed the positions of France, the UK, and Germany negatively.
In a different survey response, 81% said that they did not believe the US was serious about establishing a Palestinian state and 77% of respondents named the US and Israel as the biggest threat to the security and stability of the region.
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As suspected. 63% of the Arab world are propagandized.
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Hard to claim this when the Arab governments are anti Palestine. I personally learned about the conflict from reading Israeli authors and historians like Ilan Pappe, my government didn't teach me shit.
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resistance? Its intention was to open the doors for Israel and so it did.
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What do you mean? The fascist islamist terrorists of Hamas wanted Israel to retaliate? For what reason? I think you give them too much credit, they just took an opportunity to kill as many as they could.
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A: raping and brutally killing is legitimate for what you do to us!
B: launching rockets on your civilian buildings is legitimate for what you do to us!
and goes on and on...
Edit: downvoted because I just triggered both parties
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If the Zionists didn't target Palestine, nothing would be happening right now. This isn't a cycle without a beginning.
Yes, this wasn't the UN giving Israel land randomly, this was influenced by an Israeli fascist terrorist group called the Stern Gang. They forced the British empire and the UN to give 50% of the land to Israel. They gave them 56% of the land but Israel had half the population.
In which reality is this fair? This is an INVASION. Anything happening to Israel is their own fault. They are invading a country. Anything they do to the civilians of the country they are invading is a war crime.
People just need to put themselves in the position of one of the 750k Palestines who were removed from their lands and sent to live in tents because the UN said so. You have your land, your family lives there, you're trying to make a living... Suddenly you have NOTHING. And there are soldiers with assault rifles coming to kill you if you don't leave.
Seriously, how can anyone support Israel? This is a straight up invasion. How else can they defend their land if the US keeps sending military weapons and funding to Israel? How else are the Palestinians supposed to defend their land? Terrorist tactics is all they have left.
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@roastedDeflator @world I can only find it in Arabic. dohainstitute.org/ar/Lists/ACR…
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@roastedDeflator @world My Arabic is not up to translating the whole thing, but some headline figures from my quick skim.
59% of Arabs are following the news about Gaza daily
54% following it mainly by satellite TV, 36% by social media
84% feeling psychological pressure because of the war
67% think the Hamas attack on 7/10/2023 was a legitimate resistance operation
67% think Hamas is totally unlike ISIS
69% stand in solidarity with Gaza and Hamas
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What I find depressing is that most of the Arab world thinks so, but the majority of people from Gaza don't.
Arab world: https://i.imgflip.com/41f829.jpg
It clearly shows that Arabs don't care about fellow Palestinians suffering, and the only thing that matters is that they fucked up lives of some Jews.
Arabs aren’t one people. They’re many different tribes. They’ve been fighting as long as the historical record. So them not caring about the Palestinians is not surprising but obvious.
Last poll I saw shows the majority of Gazans approve of Oct 7:
Has public opinion in Gaza shifted since then?
All arabs remember Jordan September 1970 so nobody trusts the Palestinians one bit and rather prefer they die against the Israeli than their own citizens. They got expelled to Lebanon after Jordan and sparked civil war there for decades and then finally getting expelled in 1991.
So if you wonder why the neighbouring Arab countries don't care. There's your answer.
Yeah I'm curious how much help all these Arab countries were sending to the Palestinians.
I thought Arab countries were the only ones sending aid to Palestinians - ignoring the US which of course is playing both sides