This is incorrect. In most Christian churches, Jesus is specifically not a demigod or a separate lesser entity from God. Jesus is God.
Holy trinity is literally one of the most central doctrines of Christianity.
Uneducated pagan mad this meme.
But if it's a Trinity, why are they listed separately if they're not separate? Why make the distinction if they're one and the same?
Who did God send down to die for our sins? Why does Jesus have a name if he just is god? Why not call him God?
If he is god, why is the resurrection so special? Wouldn't you expect God to be deathless anyway?
I'm half being difficult, half wondering what the real answers are.
that's their secret, shit doesn't have to make sense, and each branch can make up its own interpretation for the pesky details
This is what I understood from the teachings of the Catholic Church:
There are sacred mysteries which are not explainable by rational or scientific reasoning and thus believing in these mysteries is the catholic faith.
So the Trinity means God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate and the same.
Resurrection is special because God lived as a human, died to cleanse the sins of all humans (dying is a punishment for the sins) and his resurrection means he is really God, he cannot die and doing so he defeated death itself. Which means all humans believing in God will be able to cheat death and live eternally in paradise.
God died for our sins because he loves humans and wants them to be free of sin.
Trying to understand this through reason is not possible. You need faith, this is the whole shtick.
Again this is my understanding, been a long time since I went to catechism.
Its like voltron, 3 gods make 1 bigger god.
More specifically, they are not one and same. Father is not Son is not Holy Spirit, but all of them are God.
Your questions are better answered by theologicians. I am not even a Christian, but even I know about concept of trinity. Perhaps everything about God is not meant to be comprehensible by humans. God is beyond humans after all.
It's a secret identity. When trouble strikes, God ducks into a phone booth and becomes the Holy Spirit.
The best analogy I've heard so far is that god is like water and trinity is a bit like the aggregate states liquid, solid, gas. They are the same (water) but liquid water is obviously different from ice and steam.
And don't even get me started on all the theatrics in the Bible. I mean, why did God even bother to sneak temptation into the Garden of Eden for Adam and Eve? Why put all his shady stuff on Satan's to-do list? And let's not forget about flooding the entire planet! To me, the Bible seems more like another epic science fiction novel, complete with a variety of plot twists and mystery elements. Really, it's more 'Star Trek' than holy scripture in my eyes.
hmmm -- Sure smells like Polytheism to me.
One of my favorite early Christian sects is the Marcions -- They thought with how mean and angry OT God is and how nice and forgiving NT God is, and with God being eternal and all, that they must be DIFFERENT GODS with NT God now being in charge.
Of course, they were swiftly excommunicated for this.
Sort of. Trinitarianism vs Unitarianism is a whole thing.
Then the Unitarians partnered with the Universalists, which was super weird.
UUs are lovely though.
You're still consuming flesh of divinity, which is a pretty grisly, chthonic look.
Personally I'm more interested in the mores and policies of a religion, which Christian ministries generally and the Roman Catholic Church specifically have shown they will discard readily to preserve their wealth and power.
Create a religion in which the members actually practice mercy, kindness and compassion and I will tolerate all their ritual depravities. (Sacrifices of the living in effigy, please.)
This just compressed a good several hundred years of religious schisms and theological debate that was sometimes very bloody in sorting itself out. There is also nothing to say if what became popular was actually the correct interpretation as what became "correct" was determined by political power as the religion consolidated often based more on merit of what city the bishop came from and the ecconomic flow of power. Had things gone just a little differently we would be talking about how Jesus is God's direct subordinate or how he is effectively a unique being who is one half human mixed with one half God because he was born of Mary making him half made up of her humanity which would make him a... Demigod.
Also most Christian churches believe a lot of stuff that was somebody's random fad at some point. Like Catholicism and the seven deadly sins. That was ONE guy who started something of a spiritual wellness cult, quit all the sins he made up and died because he ruined his body following his own made up doctrine. It would be like if you let a severe anorexic write the nutritional standards on packaging.
Naw bro the "pagan" in the room ain't the uneducated one. You're just carrying around a couple of millennia of political baggage and refuse to acknowledge how a bit of hubris in the generational game of telephone might have warped your sensibilities. Those first 300 years of power struggle could have hosted some very big misinterpretations since Jesus wasn't very focused on explaining his own lore so much as setting an example in how humanity should behave so flipping out about the trinity and deeming anybody a heretic seems to be kind of missing the point.
There is also nothing to say if what became popular was actually the correct interpretation as what became “correct” was determined by political power as the religion consolidated often based more on merit of what city the bishop came from and the ecconomic flow of power.
There is no correct interpretation with religion.
Naw bro the “pagan” in the room ain’t the uneducated one.
You wrote a long comment about the history of it which I am well aware of, but it doesn't change the fact that Holy Trinity is the core belief of all of Christian world today and it has been so for almost thousand years.
It’s actually a fairly confused point theologically and Christians tend to draw these pictures in smeared pastels and charcoal sketches as opposed to pen and ink blueprints because it was and is still a developing idea. There’s a whole complicated history where the literary Jesus transformed from prophet to a divine being in his own right to being a literal aspect of god is complex. I consider Christianity to be semi-polytheistic for the same reason that Hinduism is polytheistic unless you consider each of the gods to be an aspect of a single god.
But it’s more meaningfully and directly polytheistic when you considerate the literary aspects of the bible where the vengeful and violent El amalgamated god is transformed into the lawgiver and transactional god and then into the loving caregiver described by Jesus, and they’re all invoked depending on which is best at the moment. Then you can throw in Jesus, and the Holy Spirit which is probably derived at least in part from Ashera (the mother of Yahweh), and you’ve got a pantheon.
Michael, Gabriel, Azrael, and the rest of the powerful angels would be considered demigods in any other religion, as would ideas like saints (including the Marian cults).
If they want to drink wine and eat crackers while chanting, I ain't gonna kink shame. I don't have a problem with that. It's being controlling and treating people like shit that's the real problem.
There's the real "think of the children" moment...
You forgot while young boys ring bells.
I brought the incense. We can proceed.
Also, balls.
Alright, they do that one after mass...
*while pretending to eat flesh and drink blood while sipping wine and eating miniature dry rice crackers.
Catholics use rice crackers?? That sounds so much worse.
Not always, but for a gluten-free option yes
So edgy.
Jesus is an inverse zombie. Living people eat his dead flesh.
Isn't this how meat consumption usually is?
Yeah Jesus is the main course. Jesus L'Orange is a fuckin delicacy in Spain
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teaboot
Okay, new rule: if you regularly consume the blood and flesh of a demigod in a room full of chanting elders you're not allowed to call other religions primitive and evil
candidlyautistic
This is oddly specific and leaves some very interesting questions unanswered.
uirgiliana
Catholicism sure does sound weird when you put it that way.
Sounds like Megaten
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Dont forget human/child sacrifice, an essential element.
But yes they adapted all of that from the other, "evil" primitive Mesopotamian religions.
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell them that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your body that is present in humanity because a woman made of a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical apple tree. And this Jew’s father (who magically impregnated a virgin so she stayed a virgin all without her consent) planned all of this while living in nothingness for eternity and one day got bored of living in nothingness and decided to set this into motion- and hates transgenders.
And if you do not believe all of this without question, he has a special place full of fire, smoke and torture where he will send you to be gangraped through the ass with red-hot spikes by horned red creatures for eternity until the universe’s heat death. But he still loves you, and wants to save you from what he will do to you if you don’t believe in him despite, for a good 2000 years, appearing only in clouds and on toast and allowing his “chosen people” to almost get wiped out by a country-sized murder cult (not to mention everything they went through before that).
Makes perfect sense.
…who was his own father… so. Nazarenes were hillbillies?
If you think this symbolic ritual is bad wait until you find out what actually goes on at a traditional brit milah.
