Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again'
Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again' | LBC
cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/38211357
Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland
There, saved you a click.
3/4 Fascist. What a coincidence.
If you assume every country is a US-style presidential autocracy, 4/4.
That would be great!
Let's start with kicking out saddly (sniff , sniff) having to see the departure of Hungary.
I mean, just look at Brexit: one side got seriously fucked up (instant fall of 20% of their currency and slowly dropping further behind economically ever since - the dream of a Economic Powerhouse Britain are gone and burried now: just ask even the most rabid Brexiter to list their Brexit Dividends) whilst the other basically just went over a small speed bump. I'll leave it as an exercise for the readers which side got which consequences.
PS: That said, having seen the consequences of Brexit is exactly why no EU nation is likely to ever take Donald on this - after that shit show the far-right in Europe went really silent really fast on the whole "we must leave the EU" they were so loudly demanding just a few months before.
PPS: Also as a person from a small EU country, lets just say we're very much aware of just how the big boys would fuck us up if we left the safety of the pack - unlike in Delusions Of Grandeur Britain the public opinion in little nations doesn't want a return to the way things were in 70s when they were the "punching bag of the big boys". Meanwhile the larger EU countries - which are all merelly mid-sized in World terms - after having seen what happened to Britain post-Brexit know with absolute certainty they have far greater influence being in the EU than they would outside, which is why even Italy with a well entrenched far-right government hasn't distanced itself an inch away from the EU. Only some totally out of control shit-show of a nation in the thrall of the nuttiest of nutter far-right would even just consider this and, frankly, them leaving the EU would be great for the rest (not least because, as it happenned with Brexit, it would at least temporarilly dampen the far-right in all the other countries)
Hungary is not the Orbán government.
UK is doing just as badly as the rest of Europe.
The actual benefit is being out of the environmental disaster that is the Common Agriculture Policy.
Actually Britain is doing 6 to 8% worse that the rest of the EU and that's just in reduced Economic Growth.
Its influence in international affairs has also fallen steeply - one thing is to be a mid-sized country with a significant ability to move a block of 540 million people, a whole different thing is to be just another mid-sized country.
Having lived there at the time, I keenly remember how Britain was supposed to become once again an Economic Powerhouse (with Return To Past Greatness implied, rather than openly stated as in the US). Such fanciful bollocks is now well dead and burried.
The USA are our allies, and China is our enemy. Did I understand correctly?
That depends on your personal current RealityTM. In this week's Trumpian Reality China seems to be an ally, and the EU a hostile power occupying four friendlies. This might change next Monday, of course.
So "Make X great again" just means bringing enshittification to the state level yeah?
They never said for whom they're making it great.
I don’t think Poland would ever actually leave the EU. Every poll says that poles love being in it even if the far right complains a ton. As someone who lived in Poland between 2005 and 2020 the improvements from being in the EU are so noticeable it would be suicide for the country to actually leave.
Yep, because it worked out so well for the UK
IMO: the Americans are adversaries now.
The American government, absolutely. They've been pretty open about it.
Hungary leaving EU? Oh pleeeaaassse i can only get so wet!!
Hungary leaving the EU may not be the best outcome. I fear they would become like Belarus, a proxy for Russia's hybrid warfare, for instance weaponizing migrants to cause havoc at the border, allow them to operate jammer and drone operation from their terrirory.
hungary is the welfare state of the EU.
I guess the majority of eu citizens hate hungarians by now. what a douche country. i wonder what drives these small dick energy countries forward. look at serbia. same small dick energy like "oh we hate diversity. lets get butt fucked by russia" instead of growing their own balls.
so yeah, fuck the hungarians!
Some of the most anti-EU countrys leaving the EU? Luckily I do not see big long term negativ consequences here.
this has putins stink all over it, if its not obvious already.
Who needs enemies when you have friends like this?
The US was never anybody's friend.
At best they were partners of convenience and only for as long as it they gained from it.
Remember that even before Trump American interests were pushing for Brexit to weakening the EU, for example by funding Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda in Facebook.
Countries don't have allies, they have interests.
In any other world, where facts actually matter, "friends" like this would be called what they are: Enemies.
mercans repeating father Putins wishes.
Putin with be happier if countries left NATO, not the EU though.
Step 1 to Making Europe Great Again: Ignore every idea that comes directly from a Make America Great Again mouth piece.
Step 2: Educate the member states' populations so they stop voting in fascists.
Step 3: Congratulations, you're done!
Isn't Trump's whole thing about stopping foreigners from interfering with your country and cultural erosion? Why's he enforcing HIS ideals on others?
Introspection and understanding hypocrisy is the furthest thing I would expect from him
@aarRJaay
Wait. You hope for coherence? There, in that cesspool of what may have been a mind once?
Are there other sources with a better track record to corroborate this?
cf https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/london-broadcasting-company-lbc/
Poland, Hungary. Could he really imagine that they would ever serve HIM? (and not his boss in the east)
Austria LOL. Delusional. They dream of the swiss way.
Italy. They may be right wing, but never that stupid.
[…] They may be right wing, but never that stupid.
… we hope. People’s stupidity can be staggering. Just look at what’s been happening in MAGA land.
Americans were only portrayed as strong and smart, like soviets socialism realism art movement portrayed soviets as strong and hard working "good" people. Nice propaganda eh.
I mean we all grew up with those badass americans in movies and books, a huge bias IMO.
Europeans have a huge cultural edge here IMO but I'm biased on that front ofc. We'll see, interesting times...
I agree, the stupidity of some people can be shocking. Just look at brexit. In Poland there are some minor voices for polexit, but for now it is ridiculed by majority. In 10-15 years imho it can change, since thanks to disinformation campaign done by russia we see that many people changed their opinion about Ukraine. It’s heartbreaking.
What a coincidence that the MAGA USA's policy towards Europe is almost indistinguishable from Russia's!
Why would US billionaires hand over control of their country to Russia? They can't be that incompetent and elections are not free enough that it could happen against their will.
It's not coincidence, but I doubt the Russian influence.
They can’t be that incompetent
Have you seen these billionaires? They absolutely can. The myth of their competence is pure propaganda.
Also, they like corruption because it offers many opportunities for those with enough money to pay. And they like oppression of workers because it provides a ready pool of cheap labour to exploit.
They'll be looking at Russia and liking what they see, because they don't see themselves being the ones working for pennies and being sent to die in Ukraine. And they all think they're the smartest guy in the world ("why else would I have so much money?") so they don't see themselves being fucked over by Putin either. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want.
Billionaires dont care as long as number go up.
Because a) he's a Russian asset (apparently) and b) they have incriminating evidence on him and probably a bunch of other billionaires. Also, if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they'd be willing to pay for it.
Hey UK, how is brexit going?
It has taught a lot of Brits how good being in the EU was (by taking away the benefits). All the "advantages" have also evaporated like pixy dust.
It has also done the same for lot of people in the rest of the EU who before believed the same far-right populist fables about how great it would be to leave the EU, which is why the far-right in those countries doesn't talk about that anymore.
I lived in a couple of countries in the EU and my impression was that Britain was the best candidate of all in the EU to fall for the whole "We would be better of outside the EU" because they were the ones who looked back to the years before entering the EU and mainly saw a great Great Britain (an image relentlessly beautified and pushed by local media right, which is why even now almost a century after it a "new British film coming out about how Britain pretty much singlehandedly won WWI" is still a regular event and news about international affairs in Britain tend to be either spinning Britain as having great influence in the World or "look at that tupid thing happening in that country, this would never happen in Old Blighty [as we're superior to those foreigners]" news pieces) so it was easy for such Delusions Of National Greatness to be turned into Brexit by outside influences (namely, American - just look up who funded Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda).
After the subsequent shitshow with the "most likely nation in the EU to fall for Alone We're Stronger bollocks" none of the larger nations left in the EU (which are just mid-sized nations in World terms) have any illusions that leaving would make them better of (plus people there already had fewer delusions of greatness to begin with than Brits), whilst the smaller nations never had any fond memories of time before the EU when they were little more than kicking balls for the bigger nations, to begin with.
All this to say that the country were an EU exit was most easy to leverage by foreign interests has already had that happen and the result stands as an example that further deters the idea of leaving in the few EU countries were the idea that "we were stronger alone" ever had more than a handful of believers.
Crap. Absolute crap.
And we're down in growth by 6% to 8% according to economists.
Even if those 4 country would leave the union still would stand strong lmao
Might be stronger if a certain country left..
Defenetly. I would morn for the people of that country especially for a person that i knew personally
Even if those 4 country would leave the union still would stand strong lmao
Don't fool yourself. The EU would be severely affected if all those countries leave. With those countries ~115 million people (aka customers) would leave too. That most certainly would have negative effects for all of us.
It would be yes but wouldnt be dead
Europe needs to rally together to survive this. Russia is beatable, but you need to activate.
Too many years being nanied by the US...
Given what it took to put that particular beast to sleep, a lot of leaders are nervous to wake it back up.
I agree something needs to be done, but the idea of a militant Europe again is a worrying thought.
According to a leaked version of the Trump administration’s US national security strategy, the White House is planning to call on Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland to quit the EU.
I wonder where Poland would be without the EU...
No where near current development state, and people know that - huge percentage of people are pro EU.
I mean Hungary already acts like it's not part of it when it comes to anything regarding foreign policies. At this point I'm they seem to just be mooching off the economic benefits.
That's Orban not the people, we'll see in February IIRC when he gets the boot. Even with his anti democratic maneuversvit seems unlikely that he'd get reelected. I sure hope so too.
They became the poorest country in the EU but benefits the most, fuck that scum traitor.
And welcome back Hungarian people!
I don't think they'd quit though. They're benefiting too much. They bark but won't bite I think.
I mean Hungary already acts like it’s not part of it
Or they do, and everybody else acts as if the EU has to be a country like the US.
Unanimous means that a country cannot be forced to act against their will. That was the promise of the EU, economic benefits with political independence. Demanding more is bait and switch.
Austria
So this is it, this is how Trump finally starts WW3
Is this a reputable news source?
LBC is a talk radio station/company, but they also do more serious journalism and podcasts. They platform a broad range of views, but tend to give the prime time slots to hosts on the right.
Reasonably credible.
Grand, thanks. I’ve just never heard of them before
And we're simping for FUCKING Russian interests‽