I use duckduckgo desktop browser as my default on Windows and similarly on android, for this reason. You can press the burn it all button as often as you like, but whenever you log in to a website it offers to protect the website from the burn everything button. This builds a whitelist as you go.

I used to have an extension that did that on Firefox but it didn't get updated and died. In duckduckgo it's the default behaviour.

He spent half the weekend swearing at me and calling me names but then when I posted my data on his realtesla community he said he was loving rent free in me head, but when I replied with links to his ranting and raving here, he banned me for harassing mods!

I don't really care about how irate and irrational he acts, he's called me all kinds of nonsense just to get me to shut up but it didn't work. He's kind of given up now though. Spent all his energy and once he got closure banning me he calmed down a lot. Somehow he thinks it shows he wasn't biased!

Your test is just saying what the car claimed. Same as ever, you trust Toyotas data unless it's electric when you do some weird shit with your home electronics kit and magically prove the car is lying about it's electrical efficiency.

If you think it's lying about the electrical efficiency, why on earth do you quote its gas efficiency, and no, I don't believe you turned off the regenerative breaking and just did a pure gas test either.

So yeah, I'm calling you out on your double standards when you're posting "hey folks, don't trust Toyotas data on electrical efficiency" in the same thread as "look, Toyotas data shows how efficient the car is on gas".

I think it was because I linked to your shouty behaviour here. When it was just that I spend about a fifth as much on electricity as I did on petrol, you let it stand, but as soon as I linked to your rants over here it got mod deleted (by you).

I think you like to come across as fair and even handed when you're just trying to score points against EVs, so you don't want folks over there to see how abusive you got over here.

Apparently you're not just willing to insult me, you're willing to delete everything I said in realtesla where you're a mod and ban me! Lol. Great debating technique from brave "dragontamer" right there.

Well, I can see that you're going to protect your little EV hate club from anything that might be construed as good about pure EVs.

For the record, Musk is a dick and I won't ever buy one of his cars, the after sales support is non existent and there are no buttons, only touch screens, but you were never looking for any points of agreement with me, you were only trying to shut me down for daring to question your wholehearted devotion to manufacturers gas efficiency claims.

Did you mod-delete my post on realtesla because it linked to your shouty behaviour here, or because you really genuinely think that it's off topic to point out that it would have been fairer to treat the gas efficiency figures with the same skepticism as the electricity figures?

Oh and now your using your mod powers elsewhere to delete my posts! Lol.

I think the main reason that we don't have a reasonable discussion is that you take even mild disagreement as a huge personal insult, fly off the handle and, swear and call me names rather than address any of the substance I ever posted. I pointed out that you quote manufacturers data on gas efficiency uncritically but are supremely skeptical about their electricity efficiency and you responded with rage that I dare question you. If you can't debate people who even mildly disagree and you think your only recourse is insults shouting, I think that's unusual, doesn't support your position as much as you seem to think, and certainly doesn't sweep away the impression of bias you were so angry about, far from it.

You explained elsewhere that the shouting, anger and insults are a debating technique you use to shut down dissent. I'm afraid it's not quite cowering me into silence the way you wanted it to and it certainly doesn't make me think you are at all objective or even handed.

Swearing at me doesn't make your figures or methodology less one sided, I'm afraid.

I'm glad you found more peace with it and you're less angry now. Can you take at face value that your skepticism was a little one sided now?

It would be wild if Biden pardoned him as a final act of his presidency. Absolutely wild.

Dude genuinely sees flying off the handle as the right way of responding to disagreement. He explains that people who criticise him are iredeemably dishonest so debating them is a waste of time and he finds it ends the discussion much quicker if he puts a lot of anger and insults in.

Straight up!

https://lemmy.world/comment/13878703

I'll paste it on case he deletes it.

You want them to take it back. Do so.e research, and prove them wrong. Otherwise, stop shouting.

BTW: Seriously, you seem naive to me so let me give you a serious protip.

If someone thinks you are biased on the internet, and you owe them nothing (not like a close friend or a family or something), you STOP TALKING WITH THEM BECAUSE ITS A WASTE OF TIME. And I’ve found that shouting, and direct insults, is the fastest way to make it clear that I’m ending the discussion.

Again: don’t waste your time trying to prove yourself against baseless accusations on internet. Its not worth the hassle. If you find yourself doing that, you are the one who will get stressed out in the long term.

So I reject your advice and instead replace it with the exact opposite. Get angry. Shout, end the discussion. Then move on with your life. The discussion has been blown up, so its easier to move on. Don’t lol “do research” on behalf of other people who don’t give two shits about you and drag on the unnecessary discussion for days. They never were going to believe you anyway, because they thought you were biased from the start.

He lives by the anger and insults advice, I can attest, but in terms of ending the discussion, and moving on with his life, he's not so good at that part. I believe him when he claims to refuse to do any balancing tests, but not for the reasons he claims, he just doesn't want to know about data that paints a different picture.

I guess I just accept that I’m biased then.

The funny thing is that you really don't think that you are, and that it's just all the nasty EV drivers out to dupe you that their running costs were lower and you seem to think that everyone is lying and dishonest except you.

It doesn't seem to occur to you that your electric costs are higher and your gas costs are lower than some people.

The other asshole hasn’t tested jack shit and is just bullshitting from his keyboard. I owe him, and you, nothing.

I think you mean me with the name calling!

Don't pretend you did a big fair test when you did a small test and quoted manufacturer figures for the other side.

I have a few years of data, not a few hours of data like yours, and filling my fun to drive EV with electricity costs my about a fifth as much as filling my petrol car did each month, with the same commute. My data is based on what the electricity company actually charged me during the cheap tariff hours, not some weird calculation based on some electrical testing kit.

You seem to be ignoring and distrusting data that disagrees with your position and amplifying things that agree with it. I wonder if there's a word for that kind of selective hearing.

Now tell me, am I actually wrong in any of this?

Most of it.

if the other guy in a discussion thinks you are biased, it’s a waste of time to engage in honest discussion.

This is you admitting that you are being dishonest?

make it clear that I intend to end the discussion unless they back down from the bias accusations.

You've been extending the argument for days. Doesn't seem to be effective to me.

And it’s a waste of time, I need to make it clear in no uncertain terms that I’m ending the discussion ASAP

Not yet you haven't.

If you see my point about bias then I’m happy with the words I’ve selected. It’s made it clear what I’m mad about. Second tip: if someone is insulting you and making you mad, it’s okay to be mad on the internet and show your emotions. We don’t have to be robots.

Personally, I think your anger makes you seem much more biased, not less at all.

The fact remains that I have hard numbers and have run the tests.

No, you didn't run any gas tests, you just quoted Toyotas figures, and your data set for electricity is rather small.

My running costs are from years of actual electricity charges, not some home electricity kit, and I saved about 80% over my petrol car running costs, even before the cheaper servicing and better value retention.

I have very similar running costs per mile as you with my battery EV. For years now.