2d ago

RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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2d ago

RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

www.pcworld.com /article/2998935/ram-is-so-expensive-samsung-wont-even-sell-it-to-samsung.html

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2d ago

RAM is so expensive, Samsung won’t even sell it to Samsung

www.pcworld.com /article/2998935/ram-is-so-expensive-samsung-wont-even-sell-it-to-samsung.html

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Ah yes. This surely will have no long term consequences.
- Definitely won't do anything to hurt the common person
  
  I thought that was the final goal of neoliberalism.
This OpenAI RAM buyout really was a "If we're going down, we're taking everyone with us" move.
- They'll pivot to being the world's largest RAM re-saler and clean up.
- The "when you're out of money and you pretend you have even more" tactic.
We are living the paperclip maximizer problem, except instead of paperclips it's data centers.
- Well, we’re not even anywhere close to AGI yet, and the underlying problem of “the people running everything these days are not programmed to value living things - only money” Is pretty fucking obvious at this point
  
  i wish it was agi doing this, then maybe it could be reasoned with. rich pieces of shit that are detached from reality and humanity can't.
  
  That you don't need AGI for a paperclip maximizer was obvious a decade ago https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2018/01/dude-you-broke-the-future.html
  
  We don't even know if AGI is possible...
- Funnily enough, I was just introduced to this fascinating little game about being a paperclip making machine.
  https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html
  I spent a good 3 or 4 hours playing instead of sleeping.
So glad I built my computer earlier this year. RAM prices now are triple what I paid for.
- I regret so much that I didn't, I was planning to build a new PC now or in the beginning of next year. But with the current RAM prices I will stick to my 5 years old AMD 5600x. I will have to start playing games in my backlog if the framerate in new games becomes too low.
  
  It’s insane. Back then I still had to deal with GPU prices and availability. I had to buy the 9070xt in a MOBO bundle that I’ll never use and was cheaper than buying alone at the time. The same GPU now is $50 US less than what I paid for then so it was a pretty good price considering.
  
  I'd upgrade to your cpu lmao
- I'm in the exact opposite position... hoarding bits on the cheap, all I need is ram and psu but ram now costs more than I paid for everything else put together and scavenging sources have dried up completely
  
  scavenging sources have dried up completely
  Last I looked --- which was, admittedly, a few days ago --- Google Shopping still has some retailers that have stock and haven't yet jacked their price up. Mostly dinky little companies.
  https://shopping.google.com/
  searches
  https://hssl.us/silicon-power-64gb-ddr5-5600-mhz-udimm-desktop-memory-kit-2-x-32gb-5600-mhz-clock-speed-sp064gblvu560fd2ad/
  Never heard of these guys, can't vouch for their reputability, but they have 2x32GB of DDR5 for $159.99 listed as being in stock.
  The University of Virginia Bookstore --- which I imagine is reputable --- appears to be selling 2x32GB DDR5 for $245.95, and it looks like one can buy as a guest, so one presumably doesn't need to be a University of Virginia student or staff.
  https://www.uvabookstores.com/product/829320?quantity=1
  EDIT: I would advise, though, that if you plan to get memory in the near future, that you're probably better-off getting it ASAP, since I'm sure that there are going to be scalpers combing over all those small retailers before too long if they haven't gotten to someone yet.
- Me too, the only regret that I stayed with 16Gb instead of going for 32Gb or more
- No kidding! I postponed replacing my old Sandybridge in 2020 because of pandemic prices and then jumped on building my new rig in early 2024 when prices were the lowest I'd seen in some time. Also, grabbing a couple more sticks of 32 Gb DDR4 for my homelab this spring now seems like it was a good choice.
Why has RAM suddenly got so expensive? We've been chasing this AI shit for the last 3/4 years and GPUs etc have been expensive the whole time, but somehow RAM has been ok until literally the last couple of weeks?
- Basically as I understand it sam altman made a deal to buy a majority of the semiconductor wafers needed to make ram from the two biggest manufacturers, and the third biggest saw that and went "oh ok time to make a killing selling tam to businesses" qnd pulled out of the consumer market so now there's just fucking none being made for consumers because of one giant fucking dickwad
  
  But wait... there is another.
- Fucking slop factories.
I feel like an elite for buying 2 48 GB sticks a year ago. Muhahaha
- El Chavo del Ocho Reference!!!!!! Elite ball knowledge 🤝🤝🤝
Damn, I was hoping to upgrade my ram in the next 6 months. When I built my PC last winter I couldn’t find any decent 64gb sticks so I went with 46gb instead figuring I’d upgrade when they got reasonable. Oh well, guess I’m rocking them for a bit longer.
- 46 gb should suffice for the next years.
  You always can move your swap onto the cloud.
  Or actually put it on a fast nvme
  
  Already have a fast NVMe, ram is my current bottleneck. I wonder if I sell my 46gb sticks if that will account for enough of the inflation to get the 64gb ones.
Is there even enough power on the grid for all these data centers? Wtf?
- Of course, you just turn off the power for all the poor people
- No, some of them are running generators on site to get more power.
- There's many new jobs opening in the AI sector, pedalling on dynamo bikes.
  
  In the middle ages machines where powered by peasants in human-sized hamster wheels. I think that tech may make a come back.
- Power availability is actually a primary consideration when choosing a location for a Data Center. Sometimes they'll site a DC even if there isn't enough power and then build out the power generation that they need.
  An example are the two DCs that Microsoft is building in Cheyenne, Wyoming and the absolutely massive 1.2 Million panel solar farm being built to power them. https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/05/11/massive-1-2-billion-1-2-million-panel-solar-farm-planned-for-south-cheyenne/
  This is at least the second time that Microsoft has done this in Cheyenne. In 2016 they contracted for 237 MW of Wind Energy, which led to the Chokecherry and Sierra Madre wind farms being built / expanded. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2016/11/14/latest-energy-deal-microsofts-cheyenne-datacenter-will-now-powered-entirely-wind-energy-keeping-us-course-build-greener-responsible-cloud/
  No matter what you think of AI the folks that engineer these DCs aren't stupid. They are well aware of their extreme power requirements.
- Depends how dirty you accept the power.
- We have such copious amounts of excess power but its all in off peak times. We need to build batteries or other storage methods so we can capture it in off peak hours for use during peak hours. It also helps stabilize and strengthen the grid.
  We should force these data centers to help foot the bill for that instead of doing the stupid shit they're doing like portable generators, bring coal plants back online and what not.
Samsung put 12 gigs of ram in my phone. I don't even use that much.
- Just open a second tab in chrome and you'll be redlining that puppy.
Damn Samsung, they ruined Samsung!
- You chaebols sure are a contentious people.
Glad I built a new PC in the spring but bummed that I only bought a stick of 32GB DDR5 memory thinking that I would buy another 32 after a few months. I guess I won't be needing dual channel memory after all.

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