Kamala Harris tells BBC she may run for president again

Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run

I want Jasmine Crocket or AOC. Waltz will do though.

I love how everybody is assuming that there will be a “next election”. I’m not sure that’s guaranteed. Except, maybe, in the way that Russia still has elections.

I mean, I know you can be too alarmist about things, but there’s a very clear and obvious direction of travel in the US right now.

I don't disagree with you, but I feel like people jump to that scenario without describing the steps to get there. How do you see unfolding? How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC? What about blue states? How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus? Does it even matter? If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
- Trump is sending "election observers" to California because of prop 50 and to New York because of Mamdani. It's reasonable to be very concerned about future election integrity. ICE has a larger budget than the Marines. They've openly ignored courts. They have fully abandoned the rule of law.
- How do you see unfolding?
  Martial law to respond to ice agents being killed or police turning against them.
  They’re already trying to instigate this.
  How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC?
  “The Supreme Court says it’s ok, so our hands are tied, but we’re very upset.”
  They already have the Supreme Court on their team.
  What about blue states?
  Governors will either roll over or start a hot civil war.
  Which do you think they’ll choose?
  How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus?
  By arresting and murdering protesters.
  They’ve already identified vague groups like antifa as domestic terrorists.
  If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
  If you give ICE a large enough budget, they can act as a new military. And by firing non-loyal brass for not being able to do enough pushups and replacing them with loyalists, you can keep the military from intervening under the guise of neutrality.
- While the whole world is focused on Epstein files, thinking it's going to be his downfall (why would it?), he's replacing the leaders of many institutions with yes men, that emergency meeting Hegseth had calling in all the military generals should honestly be the most alarming thing in recent US history, and yet we aren't even a quarter of the way through his term.
  Kinda hard not to be alarmist
Doomerism helps nothing
- Doomerism would be if there were an “…and therefore it’s pointless doing anything” at the end.
  I’d say the thing that helps nothing is a casual assumption of “if we campaign well enough, then we’ll win the next election and everything will be fine”, as opposed to “we are sleepwalking into a fascist dictatorship and we need to take that seriously”.

As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.

She won't get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.

JFC don't. We don't even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.

AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that's about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.
Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.
- I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does.....
  If AOC runs, she will lose.
  That's just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn't ready for a female president. Not because a woman can't do it... but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.
  It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it's not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything..... and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?
- Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck's Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she'll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President....
you thought kamala was bad? AOC would TANNKKK the dems
- I hate how true this is. She's popular with Millennials but that's about it. The vast majority of democrat voters prefer conservative establishment candidates, and they think she's too extreme.
How about they both run in the primaries in a democratic process?
Age Of Cowtron?

god im so happy im not american right now.
- Best change your name to 1986 Volvo or some shit then.

Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.

If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she'll lose again.

Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don't agree with.

they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they'll still work for them but not with them.

It's almost like they're losing on purpose...
The off-the-books cash must flow.
the establishment dem platform makes 100% perfect sense when viewed through the lens of them being controlled opposition.
that won't change unless progressives can get enough seats to control the party's purse strings

Ensure we have no chance of winning.

Honestly? Fuck it. Corporate Dems are pushing Newsom hard; I'd love to see Kamala wrestle with being abandoned by everyone she gave up any morals for.

who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?

You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop... ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.

Please don't.

nah, let her.
it's time they had a proper third party down there anyways, the democrats are fucking useless
- I agree the Democrats are useless, but the only time in modern history a third party has gotten any measurable percentage of the popular vote is when Ross Perot ran as an independent and got 19%.

I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.

Please. We need election reform.

No.

Holy fuck, listen I plugged my nose and voted for her last time just like I did with Hillary and Biden, but I am absolutely not voting for Harris a second time. If that happens, the only "enabler" is the Democratic establishment and I don't want to fucking hear "vote blue no matter who" after all this Mamdani shit. Stupid god damn fucking liberals, Jesus Christ.

/ rant

i voted for Waltz on the hope that maybe Harris would have some unfortunate accident early on and maybe we'd get an actual pro-labour president for once.
now...I just hope Mamdani sweeps NYC's mayor race and maybe that wakes up progressives across the country, showing just how pathetically weak the establishment's control is right now across the board if they can't even keep a key NYC post.
Your rant should include an apology to the rest of us.
- For what?
whats wrong with biden? he was a ok guy. hope hes doing well.
- He didn't fight for what he needed to, and lead us straight to where we are.

Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn't become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that's what she wants to do, I fully support that.

I swear a few weeks ago she was leaving politics

Fuck off!

I completely wish she won last election... but there's no way we're taking a risk on her again.

I'm not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he's been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don't hear from her in my news cycles.

Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.

Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.
- I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.
  I'll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it's better than the alternatives.
You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people's meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.
We don't need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.
Do not pre comply with the bullshit autocrat wannabe Newsom being shoved down our throats.
He's literally mimicking Trump and so many fucking stupid Dem voters are falling for the same thing we make fun of Republicans for.
Fuck Newsom. AOC is the only valid one I've heard so far.

fucking delusional

The correct word would have been "threatens"...

Please no. Someone else.

I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. "Vote blue no matter who" brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that's the only way to get my vote.

So if 2028 rolls around and you're presented with a ballot with the choices "Donald Trump" and "Kamala Harris" on it for president, you'll not vote for Kamala Harris?
- If he's on the ballot again then it's all over anyway. That would be a third term and would need to be in a war time. So, if he's on the ballot in 28', we either have a war happening on our soil or, he's going full traitor and the elections will be for nothing more than show.
- Did I stutter?

Let's not and just say she did. Time to move on.

You inspired people not to vote. Go away.

Absolutely not, we really need a fresh pool of candidates, the Democratic elites need to be fired, all of them.

we really need a fresh pool of candidates
DNC: We've listened to your suggestions and taken them to heart. We have a new candidate, someone not cut from the old cloth. In fact, he's even a socialist. Let me introduce you to our new 2028 candidate...Steven Miller. He's not just a socialist, but a national socialist! Don't forget to vote blue no matter who!

You guys don’t understand, she lost because people forgot how bad trump was, this time people will fall in line

The comments here have killed my hope for ever seeing the GOP pushed back under the rock from whence they came.

She gone lose again. When she ran the first time she lost before primaries and when she was forced upon us last year she lost then too.

Oh she could easily be the candidate. She could get the nomination the same way Biden got it: a coordinated manipulation campaign by the DNC. In 2020, they arranged for all the centrist candidates except Biden to drop out at once, while leaving the progressive vote split between Sanders and Warren. Kamala could easily end up with the nomination.

This is coming from a Californian: I am skeptical, purely in terms of political advantage, that it is a good idea for the Democrats to run a California politician for the presidential slot in 2028 unless they are absolutely extraordinary. Two major potential Democratic 2028 nominees, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are both out of California.

California is going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. If the Democrats nominate a dead orangutan, California will vote for it. It's like the Republicans nominating the governor of Utah. (Actually, my understanding is that the current governor of Utah is kind of a decent guy, has been one of the people tamping down on divisiveness, but still, Republicans just aren't getting a geographic benefit out of nominating him).

I'd be more inclined to think that someone like Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, would do well in the general election. She's managed to win over voters in the Midwest, which have been swing states in recent elections, which is what the Democrats might actually not win in 2028. Biden was out of Pennsylvania.

IIRC from past reading, predictions are that 2028 will see some states further in the southeast might becoming swing states; it's not as if the set of swing states are fixed. But I am confident that California will not be among the 2028 swing states short of a cataclysmic political upheaval in the next three years.

All that, of course, is entirely disregarding their policies.

I'd prefer Pritzker. He's done great by Illinois and has been standing up for the people against Trump at least as well, if not better than Newsom.
- Sure, he'd also pass the geography test.
  Obama was out of Illinois and made it to the presidency.
This wreaks of the centrism "common sense" that keeps losing us elections. It's built on the assumption that moderates are innately more electable, while history has shown this is anything but the case. It's a kind of magical thinking completely divorced from reality.
The flaw in this thinking is that it assumes that there is a large population of political moderates waiting to be appealed to. This is what's cost Democrats the working class - abandoning workers rights and benefits in the hope of wooing suburban conservatives. And it's failed election after election.
It fails because there aren't actually very many true moderates. If you poll people who are politically unaligned, it's not that they're unaligned because they lie right between the parties. They're unaligned because their politics simply don't match to the existing partisan alignment. Think someone that is pro-gun rights but also supports Medicare for All.
Running performative centrists doesn't do anything to appeal to these voters, it just makes your candidate come off as inauthentic. Some issues just don't have reasonable compromises on them. If one party wants to greatly restrict the civil rights of some minority group, taking the centrist position of only restricting their rights a little bit still makes you look like a monster to anyone with a conscience.
This is why centrists fail. Almost no one actually had beliefs that are in the dead middle of the political spectrum. Appealing to these mythical voters is a strategy that fails again and again.
What you are ignoring is that Newsom has a key characteristic that both Harris and Whitmer lack: a penis. If anything has been made clear to me over the past 10 years, it's that too many Americans view having a penis as a requirement to be President.
- if you honestly think a penis is why hillary or harris lost than you are simply out of touch with the majority of america.
  people didn't vote for harris...they voted waltz, the country is tired of these wolves in sheeps clothing. harris drug down the campaign when she flipflopped on universal healthcare a week in, she became "just more of the same" instantly.
  it's why so much of the country votes republican, not abject bigotry and hatred (though there is a large contingent of that)...they vote republican because they know republicans are slimy pieces of shit that can be relied on to cause as much pain as possible, it makes them predictable and by extension makes protecting you and yours easier.
  when dems are in charge you have to do a deep dive into everyone's past, to see if they're a snake or not. while republicans are either easy to please/step around/ignore (if you have the privilege to do those things) because they're so open and proud in their corruption
  not saying it's right, just laying it out there as to why most of the country votes for wm over some dem.
  obama won because he promised Hope and Change...then showed just how much of a lie that campaign was over his two terms. no democrat will win the popular vote again unless it's a safe assumption they're a pushover (biden) or america can trust they're actually honest about pushing for change (waltz).
  the country is tired of playing this stupid fucking game, everyone knows it by now...but if you have to choose between a devil you know vs. one you don't the choice is easy for most.
Fuck Whitmer. She’s for the car companies and not for the people. She puts on a show but does nothing of substance.
Run Ocasio-Cortez
The governor of Utah is not a decent guy. He has signed plenty of hate legislation.

Her pivot away from a winning campaign and buy in on immigration lies by major media companies shows that she's an idiot. Sorry but I would take Hillary Clinton 2.0 before this dumbass. A lack of humanity on gaza is also a clear moral failure.

I think anyone without a policy proposal to end gerrymandering and make housing affordable has too little vision to take on the current moment. Anyone unwilling to sanction Israel is a moral failure.

she's literally just black hillary clinton 2.0
she believes in nothing except whatever the Party's donors tells her to

I'm fine with that, as long as there's an actually democratic primary process.

There won't be. There hasn't since I was a kid and I'm halfway to my natural grave.

Gotta get those book deals and speaking fees 💰💰💰

What's this?! A Democrat primary!!? Why, I only heard tales of those from my grandma.

lol the US is no longer going to be a democracy. one step closer to moving out of north america.

Lemmy Left reflexively votes in trump again

But but but what about Gaza?
- Apparently not actually a concern.
  I know. Weird.
In all fairness, I would bet that the percentage of the population as a whole that engages in strategic voting is very low. It's not just people on here who are well to the left of the US center complaining that they want a more-left candidate who aren't doing it.

BAAAHAAAHAAA!

-It's worth remembering that "it's a big club, and you ain't in it."

If Kamala is the next candidate she will lose. This time democrats can't simply pick a 'status quo' and establishment candidate. They need a person at a minimum moderatly left, a bit anti-establishment and they need to focus on universal healthcare, and then actually solve it. Then they will win the election after that again.

Will Trump let you run? Be careful because you may as well get deported, and no judge or past president will help you. USA loves Trump, that's why it's still there.

Trump would support her because he can win from her easily.

What the actual fuck‽

Don't worry, she's not in it to win it. She's in it to build up some support, then give way to Gavin before Super Tuesday. She'll be 2028's Amy Klobuchar.

I thought she was married to a white guy.

President of Argentina

So she's running as a non-candidate again?

why do i have zero reaction to this

Just do what I did, abstain from voting.