"The balance on this game is trash!"

The only time I agree with this is with aircraft. Aircraft are extremely vulnerable to small arms fire in real life. But for whatever reason games decide they have the same health as a tank or submarine.

I mean, Battlefield usually has aircraft survive tanking a direct hit from AA rockets, which isn't very fun to play against. It usually leads to exactly what happens when you join a BF lobby: 1 guy hogging an attack helicopter all game with a K/D of like 145/3. Even when players pick Engineer, the kits are too specialized to provide meaningful ways of dealing damage to both land and air vehicles, forcing you to generally focus on only one. Which are you going to kit for, the land battles, or that one guy that obliterates everyone when he has the heli but can't do anything against all the other vehicles in the lobby?

Yeah, agreed. The vehicle whores in BF are awful. You either get a clown driving the vehicle into the convergence of 7 AT/AA weapons and just sitting there getting everyone in the vehicle killed in 2 seconds or you get the unkillable whore who takes hit after hit after hit and won’t die. Not much in between. Really most vehicles are way over-armored in BF, one or two good AA missiles or AT hits should disable or destroy anything, but it’s a game so the vehicle campers get to do what they do.
Part of the issue is the Battlefield flight model, at least in the past, was really shitty. It was an incredibly arcady system where you really can't travel quickly or be agile. Helicopters in real life can avoid being shot. Helicopters in Battlefield can't, so they need to survive being shot instead.
There are better games out there that don't have this issue. Squad helicopters can still take more shots than they should, but they can all be taken down with enough small arms fire (if you hit the right spots). The light helicopters can only take something like 3 5.56 rounds, but they're really agile and a good pilot doesn't get shot.

Wait for someone to leak the classified plans of the tank onto the War Thunder forums proving the Devs are deliberately making the game unbalanced by not including the clearly inbuilt weakness.

What is this, helldivers players lol

And CoD players, and Planetside 2 players, and Overwatch players, and Fortnite players...
- Goddamn, Planetside 2 used to be enjoyable. I miss potent harrassers. And lightnings. Or just interesting vehicle fights in general…
Nah, Helldivers 2 has been nerfing the fun part of the game for a little under a year now. They previously did this before and then needed to put out a 60 day plan and publicly apologize because the game was becoming too unfun specifically due to weapon nerfs and enemy buffs.
Now theyre doing it again. Weapon ergonomics got nerfed to be horrible, then they added weapon customization so we could upgrade the weapon to fix the bad ergonomics. Then they nerfed ergonomics again.
Their over-adherance to Glazedivers and Redditors that don't even play the game (or only play in 4-man squads with minimum level requirement of 150/max) saying it is too easy is ruining the game yet again. So basically, the usual that happens when a game developer listens to a tiny or non-existent audience.
- As soon as devs start listening to the community for balance issues, there's a countdown timer to the game going downhill. Users are idiots, and they can't actually ever agree on anything either way. Letting a vocal minority guide development is always a terrible idea and has never worked in the history of game dev.
- What's wrong with the guns now? I've been having tons of fun in my 2-person squad. Haven't noticed any issues with the game and it plays fine on my Steam Deck
Some of the Silksong players too.

I hate games where they show the person who killed you on the map or similar.

What is the point of getting a good spot with the sniper if after one kill I get hunted down when they respawn. I need to move instantly. That's stupid.

The point is to make camping harder. Please be joking.
- But real snipers camp (and then move if they're smart). But that shouldn't be contingent upon an omniscient view. It should be contingent on other people seeing where the shot came from or otherwise surveying the area. If you want realism in your game, no kill cams.
I think the reason is because people don't like to be insta killed by something they couldn't possibly have noticed.
Have you tried looking at it from their perspective? Like you getting sniped out of nowhere when trying to get to your good spot?
- Yes and I an of course annoyed, but I don't think it's fair to reveal their spot. I already have enough advantage, because I know where they roughly are.
  But usually in those games they use the sniper as a shotgun, because everything else is useless
- Should've kept your eye out for snipers I say
play more arma
I don't play too many fps games, but I liked that feature in COD:MW2 (yes I am old now). kept the game moving along and it was hilarious to mow people down as they tried to sneak up on you again and again
I also liked on more mil sim games that it doesn't have that feature, you just fucking die.
tl;dr: I've only played games where it's appropriate to the game style
- I know why they do it but I always thought it weird that you see what happens after you die.
  In real life it doesn't even go black.
That's how snipers work in real life. They get one shot then they have to move.

There was this really interesting indie game called Atlas Wept. I played the demo and it was really high-intensity fun using new and innovative systems. Loved it. But then reviewers on YouTube tore the game apart and the dev made the game so much easier that you could finish the game without really interacting with the core mechanics at all, without providing separate difficulty settings.

The game was still feeling good, but I feel like we really lost something, and people would have realized that if the dev had listened to more than just the people who are financially incentivized to be impatient with the games they play.

This is what WoW did to MMO games.

"I should be able to dual weild two handers, interrupt spells, cc an entire screen, do full dps at range, and heal myself to full immediately, because another class can do one of those things each"
- Minus the dual wield 2h, that was the Monk during the Pandaria years

Noob, did you even try to knife it?

I wonder if there could be a game where players decide the balance at the start of the game. So everyone has sliders with all the damage values for all weapons, and the game sets the balance to a median of all the votes.

furious scribbling
You could have a point system. Oh! Maybe each player could have their own individual sliders. Of course, you'd have to have less guns for it to really work well but the game would balance itself...or be incredibly broken. Both are fun

It is very annoying, especially because whenever you advocate for vehicles being balanced to be more powerful/tough there is immediate pushback from engineer run-and-gun players... but they don't understand how it often takes a lot of preparation to get an armored fighting vehicle into a useful position vs them spawning in and randomly running across an armored fighting vehicle, pulling out the rpg and shooting.

Armored fighting vehicles are temporarily not part of the main servers for Operation Harsh Doorstop though I imagine they will be coming back soon as vehicle UI is being worked on currently but I recommend OHD as an alternative. The game is more like squad than battlefield, but it is free and moddable.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/736590/Operation_Harsh_Doorstop

There are IFV apcs, MRAPs, jeeps, trucks and helicopters in the mod currently, but they are all very refreshing in that they are powerful while still being vulnerable.

Also check out Easy Red 2 an awesome fairly realistic but easy to get into WW2 game and I do have to give credit to Halo Infinite here that vehicles feel very skillful and powerful in multiplayer, especially in objective games like CTF.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1324780/Easy_Red_2/

Damn, imagine being on a team with John_KillingOfWar, inventor of KillingOfWar, and doing this. He's gonna be so disappointed in you.

Alternate take: The patch happened because John_KillingOfWar saw this happen to his teammate and decided out of spite that tanks should be nerfed because he really likes gamer_gary12.

That's what I like about Helldivers 2, AH looks mainly at the numbers to decide what gets nerfed or buffed, not at big mouths.

Not to say they can't do a better job at it, but still.

Lmao time truly is a flat circle. People used to (they might still, but I don't follow anymore) say this about Blizzard and Overwatch, except not in a positive way
- The mechanical divide between being PVE and PVP makes a big difference here.

coughOverwatchcough

i was gonna say this is the entire discussion around overwatch balance. "the balance is trash" usually comes from people who do this exact thing with equivalent heroes
- 'They have a hero with a shield AND a Bastion? We might as well just forfeit now.'
  'That McCree stun is such bullshit. It's like ten minutes long.'
  'How'd they win? I was shooting them from less than 20 feet from the point. Well, okay, less than 50, but still...'
  'We keep killing them all one at a time without advancing past the doorway. Why aren't we winning?'
  'The hog hooked me over the edge for the fiftieth time today. How am I, a simple Brazilian DJ, supposed to avoid death in the face of such terrible game design?'

I still have LoL balancing PTSD... 4 years clean BTW!

I really REALLY want a game where its like 40 vs 80, where the 40 have great tech, information and drone systems, but long respawn timers, vs 80 insurgent style players with cold war weapons, little to no armor, and litte information, but have fast respawns. And the game tries to keep weapons realistic rather than balanced.

You can get pretty close with arma 3. You'll have to join a discord and do manual matchmaking though

Tell me you don't know the Panzerfaust keyboard shortcut without telling me you don't know the Panzerfaust keyboard shortcut, amirite?

This is how TF2 got absolute shit tier autobalance after a bunch of braindeads complained on reddit to remove auto balance, which the devs did to absolute disaster, and then they "fixed" it by readding autobalance with live team switches so you get screwed even if you don't die.

y'know instead of just adding a round timer/objective buffer to prevent getting auto balanced right before the match ends.

Also how items like dead ringer, ambassador, righteous bison, etc got ridiculous nerfs because some failures couldn't handle losing to those weapon loadouts despite all three having obvious downsides over stock and requiring extensive skill to use.

Last time I opened that cesspool, people were still making 5k upvote posts abut nerfing sniper as a class.

To be fair, games that allow only a handful of players to grab a vehicle, while everyone else has to play walking simulator on foot are bullshit. (Looking at you, Battlefield.)

Either provide enough vehicles for everyone who wants them, or don't provide them at all, plain and simple. Otherwise a handful of players will hog them the entire time, and I'm stuck hiding in a foxhole for most of the match.

git gud