Let's not pretend now
Let's not pretend now
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Honestly having grown up in the 80s I feel that racism is tolerated a lot less today. Most places will fire openly racist people now, but I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room and the only black guy there couldn't say shit or he would get fired, after all they did tell him "you're one of the good ones" so why would he be mad?
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I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room
I work with people today who have flat out racist conversations in the break room -- and I'm a fucking school bus driver in a fucking very liberal school district (Harris signs outnumbered trump signs by about 30:1 last year). They just use the word "native" instead of a worse n-word, although I had one coworker who used the worse n-word repeatedly. Another guy uses the g-word whenever somebody mentions that they like Chinese food. I enjoy watching his head melt when I say I'm going to get Korean or Ethiopian food. I almost got him to try Liberian food until he found out where Liberia is lol.
On the plus side, these are all older people in their 60s or 70s. The kids themselves are far more egalitarian. I also grew up in the '80s and although us kids were not really overtly racist, you still had kids segregating themselves racially as far as social groupings were concerned. Today I see lots of groups of mixed kids.
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I'd generally agree, but say that for folks who still feel a need to get their racism bone exercised they still do. racism is a lot quieter now. on an uptick, but still orders of magnitude better than the 80s and 90s, which had to have been orders of magnitude better than the 60s and 70s which I didn't experience. But there weren't folks getting hosed down by the fire department just for the gall of attending integrated schools in my decades growing up. We had apartheid bullshit.
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Honestly having grown up in the 80s I feel that racism is tolerated a lot less today.
I don't know about that. I think we were only starting to make progress, and the push back from the racists is a big part of where Trump came from.
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Wow. Read a god damn book. How could anyone ask the question, and not immediately slap themselves in the forehead? Slavery? Jim Crow? MLK? Rosa Parks? You've heard of none of these?
This must be what Christian right home schooling produces.
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The fuck? They were definitely doing it out loud. They used pictures of lynchings for postcards and Birth of a Nation was played on the white house lawn
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It was not hidden, my friend.
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You didn’t think it was overt before? How old are you?
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Hitler based his treatment of German Jews as lesser people in the ‘30s on the way the US treated its black population. That’s why he thought he’d get away with it. After all, the Americans got away with it.
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Did they though? 1860s was slavery, and there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history. With the end result being that slavery ended.
Now, you can say racism didn't end after that, and you'd be right. Racism never ended to this day. But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.
So, if the extermination camps are farther down the line than slavery, and America DID NOT get away with slavery, then your logic does not hold up.
I'm not defending any of what happened. I'm just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy, then he couldn't possibly use it as justification with what he did.
A far better line of logic is saying he used Americas killing of Native Americans as the blueprint for his camps. Which he absolutely did, and which America absolutely did get away with. Still to this day Native American population numbers just might be the lowest of all the races, simply because of how very very close to total extermination they came 200 years ago.
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there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history
That the slave states started in order to force other states to allow slavery. And only the bloodiest American war on American soil. The US military has killed a lot more people in subsequent wars.
With the end result being that slavery ended.
Only chattel slavery. While unquestionably less horrible, penal slavery was explicitly allowed by the 13th amendment and is practiced to this day.
There's significantly more people legally enslaved in the US today than there was before chattel slavery was abolished.
Now, you can say racism didn't end after that
If you want to go for the understatement of the year award, yes, you could do that.
But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.
As I explained above, slavery is still a thriving industry, more so now than ever.
As for extermination camps, it's just a matter of time now that the fascists have taken over and started building the first concentration camps.
America DID NOT get away with slavery
America IS getting away with slavery.
your logic does not hold up
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I'm just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy
He didn't. The Jim Crow laws that inspired him were EXTREMELY successful at oppressing and marginalizing black people and continued to be so until long after Hitler's defeat and death.
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By most accounts, Hitler wasn't planning the extermination of the Jews in the '30s though. Everything that occurred to them in that era, happened to Black Americans in the South during the same timeframe.
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The war was more between two giant economic interests, not an indological one. If it was they would deal with the losing side, not kept their statues in official federal buildings, etc.
And natives didn't prosper that much after the civil war.
So yes, USA got away with it, generational wealth remained mostly intact, only southern enterprises lost some of their revenue (bcs paychecks or no labour).
A future civil war could be between two billionaires, like it was between kings.
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Hitler based his treatment of German Jews as lesser people in the ‘30s on the way the US treated its black population.
Pretty sure Hitler's treatment was based on how the U.S. treated the indigenous peoples of America. And now the Israelis are basing THEIR treatment of Palestinians on the treatment Jews received from Hitler. Vicious cycles of genocide.
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geez, the way people talk about the US you'd think they did genocide, chattel slavery, concentration camps, apartheid, lynchings and mass incarceration of certain groups of people. fortunately the country was always harmonious until this one guy got elected despite everyone being not bigoted at all. twice. just a little glitch in the matrix.
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If we just go back to when all the cars were lead fueled boats and one hard working man* could support a whole household by working a fairly paid job…then it’ll all be great again
*terms conditional upon skin color and ethnicity of surname of said man. Anyone black queer or other need not apply
GREAT!
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Yea, I don't like the view point that so many people seem to hold that Trump and just fascism in general popped up out of nowhere. Like a lot of this was been a long time in the making and Trump is just one of the ways it's come out.
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Fuck the LAPD.
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I have a list of white supremacist cops in California I'm working on. There's a LOT.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
At least 18 separate gangs in the sheriffs alone. Just list the ones who aren’t and you’ll be done wayyyy faster
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I'd say that the underlying hate has actually gone down slightly over time (which I will explain in the next paragraph), but that what Trump has done is allowed people to be very open about their existing bigotry.
The reason I feel comfortable saying that the hate has decreased is that, for example, we tore down quite a few confederate monuments recently, and honestly, it wasn't all that long ago that the monuments were erected, long after the Civil War ended. Many of those monuments were erected in the mid to late 1900s as a way of saying "fuck you" to minorities while pretending it was about heritage.
I actually think that Hollywood and the TV industry helped quite a bit with their focus on including people of many races in the media we consume. I seem to recall that there were studies that showed children who grew up watching various races interacting normally on television tended to be less racist.
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Don't forget all the online comments (after more recent stuff like Floyd) about how "he was probably a drug addict or a criminal and that he deserved it for resisting the cops"
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People said that in the open.They never liked the follow up which was how was that relevant to his murder when his arrest was for a fake $20.
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They will consider "woke" history but if you ignore significant parts of history like abuse of people then that's not education, that's propaganda. This is why "woke" to me will always mean educated.
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To me, woke isn't "educated". It's more in line with "aware".
Give you an example. I'm white. At the time of Rodnry King I would have been about 9 years old. So, my whole outlook of the world is based on the adults around me, and the tv.
Rodney King was a one of those pivoting points for America. My family was shocked by what they saw. Police? Abusing their authority? That's unheard of!
And at the time, most white people had ZERO idea that was a regular occurance. The video tape is what changed that. The woman who filmed it shined the first light onto injustice that had been going on for centuries.
At the time I went to an all white school. I think there was 1 black kid. He was 2 grades above me, so I never really talked to him.
The next year, when the Rodney King trial was going on, I had changed schools. I was in a mostly black school now. And it was a TOTAL shift from what I had known.
I started learning that I saw Rodney King as four corrupt cops who did an outragious, totally out of character set of actions. I saw it as an isolated incident in a rare time of cops being violent against someone.
What I was then told is story after story from students that never made the news. Stories of their own lives. Stories of our local cops doing similar things. Maybe not as harsh as 4 cops beating one man, but we all know today the types of stories I heard in 3rd grade.
Point is, yes, I was educated back then on the harsh realities that black families go through, and have gone through, for generations.
But the difference between being educated, and being aware, is that I told my sister everything I heard back then.
Two years ago in my apartment building my upstairs neighbor was being absurdly loud.
I was on the phone with my sister at the time. She suggested I call the cops on them. I said "No. I want them to be quiet. I don't want them dead."
And this is where educated vs aware comes in. My sister had been educated just as I was in the 90s what had been happening. I was aware NOT to call the cops. My sister thought I was being difficult and dramatic.
Now, I don't KNOW the cops would have shot my neighbors. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they would have written a fine and left. But the fact that it's a very real possibility is still something I'm very aware of. While my sister had been educated, she isn't aware on a day to day basis that her life is different than others purely because of her background. It's not something that she's thinking about, even if she's been taught.
Thats educated vs aware.
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I remember watching the LA Riots on TV when I was a kid and my guardians saying awful racist shit about the participants. It confused me because I had friends in neighborhood who weren't white and they never said no when I asked to have them over or to hang out with them.
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For those who Don’t know the story, his name was Rodney King.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
I remember Rush Limbaugh saying, in his book, that the video played on the news was looped...
Even if that was true (I don't know if it is), the cops were still hitting a guy who was already on the ground, with batons...
It would have been swept under the rug if someone hadn't videotaped it.
A guy who was cuffed and on the ground as I recall.
I grew up with a (very racist) dad who claimed the video cut out "the part where Rodney was attacking the officers and they couldn't get him under control".
I also remember upon seeing American History X where the main guy in a flashback repeated the same lie my dad did damn near verbatim.
America has always been racist and the racists have always used the same unoriginal playbook time and time again.
I've always wondered about the Venn Diagram between Racists, Fascists and Narcissists. …
Because everything they do is summed up perfectly in the poem
......I'm not sure if I'm that old, or if you think America is that dumb. I never thought the name "Rodney King" would need to be explained.
Sir/Ma'am, this is a
Wendy'sinternational network.It is not dumb to not know something you haven't been exposed to.
There are non-americans on here, you know
Yeah you're that old. I'm that old too. Rodney King is a forever unforgettable name, and I'm just some white guy in what's basically the midwest.
But for the name to have such an impact on somebody, they need to have lived through that cultural moment.
This is pretty early 90s we're talking about here. Without a doubt there are GRANDPARENTS alive in this country right now who are mainstream media consuming normies and they do not remember Rodney King.
I forget that I'm old where I watched it on TV as a kid and then got grown ass adults tell me, a literal kid, how this is fair treatment if you misbehave.