introducing copyparty, the FOSS file server
I made a video about copyparty, the selfhosted fileserver I've been making for the past 5 years.
The main focus of the video is the features, but it also touches upon configuration. Was hoping it would be easier to follow than the readme on github... not sure how well that went, but hey :D
This video is also available to watch on the copyparty demo server, as a high-quality AV1 file and a lower-quality h264.
Well done! This is exactly what I've been looking for! And it's fun to use and has an aesthetic that reminds me of browsing ftp servers back in the day. And these themes?! I love the whimsy mixed with actual usability.
And its a damn good file server so far: fast, easy to use, makes reasonable security choices, and accessible in the ways I want (rclone mount)
I'll have to say that this is about one of the most detailed instructions I've seen, replete with copious screenshots. I'm going to have to give it a go just based on that. LOL
Ok this is too damn cool. Will be checking it out soon, but moving to a new apartment this week so I probably shouldn't dive into new distractions just yet...
OMG I just posted this to lemmy and saw it had already been posted. Great work! Amazing video!!
I looked at the comparison for Seafile as that's the one I'm most familiar with. In my opinion Seafile's greatest strength is its encryption, but in your comparison you seem to see this as a negative as I assume this bullet refers to the encryption? "isolated on-disk file hierarchy, incompatible with other software. much worse than nextcloud in that regard"
Thanks for making the video but also for providing non Youtube link. Maybe there is a PeerTube server that would enjoy hosting it.
Is there a way to help translate the UI.
I would like to help translate it into Danish.
Would also be willing to help translate the UI.
Holy shit this is so unbelievably full featured it's not even funny. This is going to rattle some big names. I wonder how long till they try to shut it down because it's better than anything commercially available.
I haven't even tried it yet, but just from the video you can tell it's going to be insanely good. I'm so impressed.
It's the first bit of software I've seen in a long time where I took one look and immediately thought "Fuck me, I need that!"
I use Unraid for my NAS server and just on the off-chance I checked the Unraid community 'app store' and someone's already created a Docker definition for it, published just today! The hype is real
I'll be giving this a shot
Thank you so very much. I needed to transfer some files locally yesterday and didn't have a NAS set up. So I thought I would quickly set up a samba share on my pop-os media server so my spouse (windows) and I (mint) could swap/store files on the fly in the future. It took me 25 minutes and I almost gave up because my config file was having issues.
This looks sooooo much nicer. May every road rise up to meet you
For such operations we use LocalSend.
That's for the recommendation. That could be useful as well!
nice project! I'll check it out! I've also really enjoyed your replies here. it's obvious you really know your stuff. thanks!
Have been playing around with it for a bit and it's AMAZING.
The video are amazing. It's entertaining and explains everything so it's easily understood.
Don't believe it. This is easily too good to be true.
This is cool. Idk if it’s just me but the h.264 version of your video has no sound!
man... that's really unexpected, I went with h264+mp3 which should be the most conservative / broadly-supported combination you could possibly use, yet still (ﾉ ﾟヮﾟ)ﾉ ~┻━┻
what webbrowser / device / player are you using?
This is me browsing slrpnk.net using the voyager app,on iOS latest version on iPhone 14 Pro, it then opens it in whatever built in player the app uses. Other versions work fine though. This app has me excited as I consider starting self hosting!
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Every single time I have seen one of your comments, you have disappointed me
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Elderly raspberry pi B [✓]
Large portable drive gathering dust [✓]
Guess I'm setting up a locally hosted file server in the near future.
I have a question, and I want to emphasise thar this is not criticism but a request for dive into technicalities.
In the video you mentioned copyparty has an one-way sync tool. Is there a good reason why it's not two-way, or is this just something you weren't motivated to do?
No worries, good question :>
The problem with bidirectional filesync is that it's an absolutely massive can of worms, very easy to mess up, and the consequences of messing up are usually the worst kind (loss of data). There's an insane amount of edgecases to keep in mind, and you need to get every edgecase right every single time, otherwise you might wipe someone's vacation photos, or suddenly downgrade someone's keepass database to an older version... And stuff like syncing multiple devices to the same server makes it balloon further.
I've started becoming more confident in copyparty's filesystem-index database, but it's still just a hint/guideline, with the filesystem being the only source of truth -- it's still not something I'd trust with tracking sync-state against one or more clients.
The bigger guys who offer bidirectional sync (nextcloud, syncthing, etc.) have spent years perfecting their logic, so I'd like to leave this in their capable hands.
Sync is one of those things that seems like it should be trivial but is actually super complicated.
Thank you for your answer! Do you think copyparty would work together with Syncthing on the same backing directory, or would they compete for changes etc? Copyparty in this scenario would be for sharing content with friends and occasional remote upload
🤯
Now it would be interesting to setup a raspberry pi with harddrives plugged in the USB 3 ports💡
Look cool! I think you should consider putting a screenshot of the UI somewhere near the top of the README
There is a link to a live demo pretty close to the top.
Oh my gawd what a README!! I'm on my phone and I was trying to scroll back to the top of it from the bottom and I just kept on scrolling... Holy shit I'm going to put this on my kanban board give it proper attention
At this rate might be faster to read code than a read me. Or convert to a wiki style if this much details are really needed.
Very sleek project. The language switcher bit was brilliant hahaha. Seriously, good job.
Haven't looked at the project yet, but that's just the greatest name for a fileserver...
The fact you mention security features, without ever saying it's 'super secure' tells me you know a lot about what you're doing. I'm so sick of apps like this that start with "most secure app on the net" but you know they're delusional. Thank you, going to check this out.
You made this on your phone on the bus ride to and from work.
I cleaned the cat box yesterday and considered that an accomplishment.
Fuck.
Congrats on the cat box cleaning!
Can you point me to the WebDAV code? I’m interested to see your implementation. There are some parts of the spec that are ambiguous, and I like to see how those are implemented in different servers.
sure! my implementation is really basic, just the stuff that's needed to make the clients i've tested happy, so there's probably still clients that won't be able to connect (And i'll fix those as soon as I hear about them!)
httpcli.py is the http methods handler, and the webdav-specific handlers are all next to eachother, propfind // proppatch // lock // unlock // mkcol // and there's also put for the uploads, but that's not entirely webdav-specific, just webdav-aware.
Thanks! So you put in the displayname prop even if it’s not set by the client. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what that prop is supposed to be in the spec. It calls it a live prop, but doesn’t give an explanation or an equivalent HTTP header.
I love how you named the error for 400 statuses, “Pebkac”! xD
Hey fellow scener, cool project!
Just a few thoughts/questions:
BTRFS and ZFS support real deduplication via copy on write, and would eliminate all current disadvantages of symlink and hardlink deduplication. It just works.
yeah that's a good point, I'll add an option to take advantage of this if you know you're running on a filesystem where that works as intended.
Why have it be one huge python source file?
oh don't worry, it's all separate files during development -- there's a build-stage which bundles everything up into a single file for distribution. But thanks for the concern :D
Just a remark from someone who runs ZFS since the beginning. Many people don't like the deduplication feature because of its memory footprint.
It's also nice to have this feature without relying on a certain filesystem.
you even mention ladybird as browser, nice 😎
it's such an impressive project! Amazing what they've accomplished in so little time, and so important too -- we need as many options as we can get.
Your readme looks super in depth, thanks for that! I haven't watched the video yet but will later.
I didn't see it mentioned from a quick glance, but is either sftp or ftps supported?
SFTP is not currently on the roadmap, but it's not entirely implausible.
FTPS is supported, but it requires an optional dependency to be installed (pyopenssl), so it's not available in the Windows EXE. And I just realized that the dependency is currently not present inside the docker images either, so I'll get that fixed right away.
Screenshots of the ui at the top of the readme would be nice
Clearly a labour of love 👍
Maybe support for some music streaming apps (subsonic?) would be cool?
That's a neat idea -- I've heard that a lot of stuff uses the subsonic API under the hood, so I'll see what it would take to become compatible with that. At first glance it looks like I'd have to mine and index way more information about audio files, but could still be doable :>
Looking at and/or incorporating Navidrome might be helpful.
Looks fantastic, I'll actually be trying this. Love how it doesn't lock my files into some obscure format like seafiles.
This looks great but I really wish it had SFTP.
thanks for the vote, I hear ya :>
Great job on something like this! I'll probably give it a whirl soon, I like Nextcloud but find it clunky sometimes because it's often a bit more than I need. Maybe breaking it up into Immich + this would help! Thank you for sharing your project!
One thing to note, your comparison against Nextcloud has a partially-incorrect point regarding file upload max size. The client does upload chunking, so is unaffected by the Cloudflare issue as well, but I believe the web client is still affected, just not the apps. https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/configuration_files/big_file_upload_configuration.html#adjust-chunk-size-on-nextcloud-side
I suspect a few others may be as well, but I'm only familiar with the Nextcloud one because that's what I've been running, and discovered in making sure I could still upload video files recorded while out and about.
Also love that it looks like a simpler install!
Thanks for the correction; confirmed that Nextcloud now does chunked uploading (with the web-client too). Fixed :>
Good luck, and let me know if you hit any issues o/
This is very impressive and I'm highly likely to give it a whirl. My question is, though: would it be something that my very non-tech savvy wife could use?
Eg. I'm thinking setup the app on her phone with a default location and when she asks me for a file I can just tell her that I've "put it in the app", and she'll be able to easily retrieve it. Also same thing but vice versa, though the video seems to cover that via the Android share menu...
Again, super impressive. Good job!
I have a hunch that the true answer, to be honest, is "no" -- at least with the current UI as it is. I've come to terms with not being the best at making intuitive user interfaces, so I went all-in on making it poweruser-friendly and efficiency instead.
Yeah, there's the android app for sending files to the server, and it'll always send files to the same folder, so that part should be pretty solid. But actually grabbing files from the server, perhaps not so much. Not sure I'd risk it, but I'll leave the decision to you hehe
I'm not aware of any user-friendly android/iOS apps for connecting to a webdav / ftps / sftp server, but if those exist, then that would probably have been a good option!
Been using DAVx5 on Android with it (you don't set it up as a full account, just a WebDAV mount) and the full exported filesystem shows up in the android file browser (as a remote mount like google drive)
Alright, you bought me with this
Amazing presentation and nice that you have a demo!
Oh my god, this seems really good and closer to what I want than anything yet. Been looking for something to replace Nextcloud and found nothing good so I might take a look at this.
Just curious, why did you replace nextcloud? I'm looking into transitioning from my current file server, and I've mostly heard only good things and not NextCloud.
I want something with a permission model that works the same when accessed over a network share (SMB, ideally NFS) and access over a web interface. Ideally it would have a Mac File Provider sync client and whatever the Windows equivalent is called as well.
Nextcloud is fine but it’s not that.
Nextcloud is like Windows 95, it works great when you install it then it just keeps getting slower as you fill it with content
I replaced nextCloud’s file sharing with Syncthing just recently, as I found myself only synchronising between two computers (one desktop, one smartphone) anyway. :-)
That won’t work for me since I have multiple people using this Nextcloud instance, and I also use it to publicly share files. I also have a big network share (currently 5 TB of data) that I would like to better integrate somehow (right now it’s available from Nextcloud read-only in essentially “anonymous mode” with no access to private user files).
I would probably remove python 2 support, it was end of life when the project was started.
As long as it's not causing any issues or drawbacks for modern python versions (and it isn't), I don't see any reason to do that -- on the contrary, I know people are running copyparty on retro equipment, so I'd very much prefer to keep it for as long as possible :>
I don’t think there is a Python 2 version for retro equipment (DOS?). ;-)
Just because something is EOL doesn't make it useless.
So long as it's known and managed, it's fine.
This is really impressive
Sometimes I feel so new to setting up my own digital ecosystem because I look at a thing and think "that's so cool" but struggle to imagine it at home. So could someone help me understand.
This would be a replacement for something like Google Drive or Proton Drive? The actions I would use this for would be:
So I would spin this up on my NAS or my main PC and replace those services and accomplish those actions using this software?
Are there other services or actions I'm missing? Am I misunderstanding the premise entirely?
Oh yea, copyparty could do that. I might just do that too. My issue is more how do I grant them access to my network to get the thing tough? I currently use wireguard profiles and lock down where they can reach with rules and shit on a firewalla on a per account basis but that’s really complex and inelegant. It works and would working copypasta, but I kind of wish there was a simple webUI where I could define what a WireGuard user should be able to reach on my network with simple checkboxes by rules I have created over time. Probably wouldn’t tie into firewalla nicely though it could be more likely with OPNsense.
Hmm. Surely someone must have thought of that already. It would make adopting things like copypasta much simpler and less risky.
I think Copyparty would be great for that purpose. The only thing you're missing is a way to expose it to the internet, such as a public IP or some tunnel
Yep! Depending on what your home connection looks like, you have a few options:
if you are lucky enough to have your own private IP-address and are able to open ports, then you're almost done already -- you can put copyparty on some port (or keep the default 3923), and then anyone could connect to it by going to https://your.ip.address:3923/
(with this approach, you will want to create your own HTTPS certificate so the traffic is properly encrypted -- the best option here is to get a domain and get a certificate for the domain)
however, if you are behind CGNAT, meaning your internet provider has given you a shared IP-address, then people cannot connect directly to your home-PC. One way around that issue is by setting up a machine somewhere on the internet which bridges the gap back home to your PC. Cloudflare offers this as service, and this is explained in the copyparty readme -- see the "at home" section for one way to do that.
if you are against using Cloudflare for idealistic reasons (they are becoming quite powerful since they run a whole lot of the internet), then you can set up a cheap VPS which serves the same purpose. That's my setup, and how you are accessing the copyparty demo server right now -- I have the cheapest VPS you can get from Hetzner. The VPS is running nginx, and it forwards the traffic to my homeserver through an SSH tunnel. I haven't documented this approach in the copyparty readme, but I have a feeling a lot of other people have :>
I'm properly in awe at this project. Not only does it support a wide range of protocols and runs practically everywhere, but it can play audio, video, display images and has keyboard shortcut support ???
It's got everything I could think about and so much more.
I can't wait to try it out !
Thank you so much for your time and for making this open source.
Thanks a lot for the kind words! ready to answer questions if you hit any bumps :>
Can we have Gopher support?
I was thinking of that!! But then I realized that even Firefox removed gopher support by now, so the joke was dead on arrival :P
Firefox isn’t that great for FTP either. Gopher still exists :-) and I’d love to use it even more.
I’m in the market for a self hosted file server so I can use it as a destination for website backups. Absolutely going to give this a look next week. Thanks for posting about it!
I've been using copyparty for months, and it's just been an absolute gem. and the fact there are even iOS shortcuts to upload things you stumble across while doomscrolling is just icing on top.
Any way to run the server as a docker container?
Yep -- https://github.com/9001/copyparty/tree/hovudstraum/scripts/docker
Hopefully that description makes sense (let me know if it doesn't)
You can run absolutely anything as a docker container that you have the binary (and other files if needed), or you can go fancy and compile from source in docker.
Just create a dockerfile.
From (some base image you want to use like Ubuntu or Alpine)
Copy necessary files
Run the binary
You can run it straight from command line, put it in a docker compose file, or even tag it and upload it to a repository (and then reference that in your docker compose)
OMG! I've been looking for something like this for quite some time!
I will try this as soon as I have time. Thank you!
This looks nighsome as blossom!
This looks sick. Thanks for making and sharing it!
I have a samba fileserver behind wireguard. Would copyparty be an improvement over samba?
If all you need is basic remote file storage such as a samba server, and especially if you need samba in particular, then your current solution is probably a better fit for you.
Copyparty's main selling points is the large number of features in one package, and being pretty good at receiving file uploads (usually faster than other alternatives), but it does not have good samba support. Instead of samba, copyparty has WebDAV support, so you can still connect to it from your file manager -- but the performance will be different; depending on your access pattern and the type of files, it could be faster or slower than samba.
Looks really cool. Might spin up a test bed to try.
Hey! Just set this up today and it seems pretty good. Only issue I'm having is that is pretty slow to download (~2mb/s) what are some good ways to speed it up?
Wow! This is great. I may give it a shot.
Put out some in-depth docker instructions and this will be common use in a month. Good work.
Agreed.