Ghislaine meeting with the DOJ today for a chat

Either that or she'll tragically take her own life while the guards are on break and the cameras are down.

and cellmate transfered out

I can't believe no one has commented this yet.

She's not going to say there's no list. She's going to say she has the list and it's conveniently going to contain all of trump's enemies .... probably including Obama.

Then why hide it?
- because it's fake ... I'm implying the orange king boy rapist is going to offer her a pardon in exchange for lying under oath
it's all jimmy carter's doing
We already know Trump was all over it. She doesn't have the list. She's been in a federal prison for 5 years.

The neat thing about pardons is if you accept one you lose your 5th amendment rights around the subject, and be compelled to testify.

Something tells me an enabler of this level will have no problems with pesky moral hurdles like oaths or the truth.
Testify in another court case or could congress subpoena her?
- Both

Breaking news: Maxwell has been shot while trying to escape, in the back of the head. After a brief investigation her death has been ruled suicide by cop. Jk, unless...

It's really not that unreasonable. If I fell out of a high-rise window, I'd probably try to off myself mid-air on the way down, too, rather than face the terror of the rest of the plunge.
It wouldn't surprise me too much.

Pardoning Maxwell would be an insanely bad idea. The MAGA world love two things more than anything else; conspiracy theories, and imagining themselves in an endless war against a cabal of powerful pedophiles.

Maxwell directly aided and abetted one of those powerful pedophiles. To MAGA, there is no possible justification for pardoning her. It would be tantamount to a full admission from Trump, and it would send their conspiracy addled minds into overdrive. At best (for him), they'd wonder what kind of leverage she has over Trump in order to buy herself a pardon. If not evidence of pedophilia, then surely something else, right?

Is Maxwell angling for a pardon? Almost certainly. But giving her one would be a suicidal move for the administration right now.

My MiL is deep MAGA. The only thing true is that whatever the outcome, she will regurgitate the Trump talking points. They could tell her Maxwell was a secret agent for Trump in the 90s, and she would buy it.
I don’t know if you’re close to anyone MAGA, but it is truly a blind cult. The Right just needs to find a palpable enough angle to spin.
I think more dangerous for this regime is other people know what’s on the list. She’s not the only one.
Well I mean bottom line is, it's a damned if he does damned if he doesn't situation.
She gets killed, that's insane fuel to the fire.
Trump pardons her... that's as good as admitting they are working together.
She actually tells what she knows, trumps fucked.
So... if you ask me based on a raw strategy... the DOJ is going to let the sweetheart deal appeal happen, and maxwell will comit perjury, say she happened to be in some of the places trump was, but never were that close and that trump always considered epstein a creep and kicked them out of marlago.
- Even better for MAGA, they can have her lie and name a bunch of their favorite punching bags. Suddenly, the cabal will have been led by Obama, Biden, Sanders, AOC, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, etc. It will fuel their rage.
  Lots of everyday people won't believe it, of course. But that's the brilliance. Their MO is to attack the concept of objective truth. Throw enough bullshit accusations of participation in Epsteins's crimes out there, and the real perps will be shielded by the collective doubt surrounding any accusations of child rape.
- He doesn’t have to go as far as pardoning her. It can be a plea deal type of thing. That will require some level of cooperation from the courts, which is probably what they are negotiating right now. She has no leverage to make threats (“pardon me or I’ll expose you”) because her life is already forfeit, as Epstein’s death shows. So she’ll go along with even a weak deal like a long prison stance but under more comfortable conditions, with perhaps some assurances she won’t suddenly commit suicide.
But will that stop them from supporting a 3rd term bid?
Suicidal how? It's not like the modern republican party, at least those in congress, is likely to impeach their own president, and seeing as he's term limited, if Trump got another term, he would have had to throw out the constitution completely and unambiguously to do it, at which point he could simply throw out the "election" part too.
- Two fold; first they lose the vast majority of their voter base and second they earn the ire of a lot of crazy dangerous people.
Exactly. They'll promise one at the end of Trump's presidency. Of course she won't believe the promise.

She’d be stupid to take any deal, she’ll be dead before the term is over, regardless of a possible pardon. He can’t risk her talking under a potential different government.

Honestly I think different there... she's not dumb, she's got killer contacts, and she knows what happened to Epstein. In her shoes. I'd have used whatever I can to rig up a dead mans switch, then put pressure onto trump to get her out of there.

He still has the problem of obviously pardoning a woman convicted of heinous crimes involving trafficking of young girls to facilitate Epstein.

It wasn't a problem when he pardoned hundreds of violent traitors and insurrectionists.
It wasn't a problem when he himself was found guilty of SA and convicted of multiple felonies.
It wasn't a problem when he admitted he would like to bang his daughter.
It wasn't a problem when he said he could murder someone in broad daylight and not face any consequences.
Somehow I think this won't be a problem either.
- Yeah, it won't even be given the slightest consideration.
- sure but this appears to be the singular thing that will not go away no matter what. like they keep throwing completely random inane things to flood the zone, but it feels as though the zone is oversaturated and cant flood anymore
It is one of my "old man yell at cloud" moment, but he doesn't give a shit. He has dodged every consequence of his actions until now. Why would that be different now?
- Then why would he do it in the first place?
how is that a problem for him?... everybody already knows he is a rapist and convicted felon and Muricans still elected him president
- Yep, either they actually voted for him or the votes were juiced (“No-one knows these machines better than Elon.”). Him obviously being a scumbag makes no difference in either of those scenarios.
- I'm responding the possibility of him doing so, as raised by others. If that's not a problem for him then neither is him being in the files, negating the need to pardon Maxwell.

Car accident on the way back to prison.

It's kinda weird they'd use a Tesla for prison transport.

There gotta be some kinda check on a president using a pardon when he is personally tied to the case.

It doesn't seem to matter even if there is.
The Republican Party doesn't want to impeach him. Some of Democrat Party do, but their efforts get squashed by the Republicans and the other half of their own party.
He can't be held personally accountable for abusing his power in this case either, thanks to SCrOTUS basically saying that official presidency acts are above the law.
Where the hell have you been? There’s been checks on everything this entire time but failing any of them doesn’t matter anymore.
- It was more of a wishful comment
Er ... no. At this point, the presidency can do pretty much whatever it wants. You may be thinking that I am using hyperbole, but I am not. The Supreme Court determined that, as long as the president says, "I'm acting as the president!", whatever action that follows is excempt from prosecution.
LOL.
You must be new here.
The whole shit show is based on the assumption that the people of the United States wouldn't elect a dictator, or would at least take action if it turned out that an elected person was in fact a dictator.
Seems to be that neither of those things are true.

Or jd Vance will give the pardon after they burry Trump… CONSPIRACY

I understand the cynicism, but, I actually think that GM knows what happened to Epstein. From reading interviews and her online presence, you can tell quickly that she is a very timid and fearful person in the face of all of this, but she also seems to display the usual sense of self-preservation that most of us have too.

I think she knows that she is at risk of being 'suicided' by speaking to the US government. I don't think Trump would get her to agree to say nothing happened and let her free, because if she is free and fucks off to Belize, she could still ruin his fucking life from 3,000 miles away.

Personally, I think that the situation we are looking at is that she knows that if she doesn't pipe up and drop more dirt, she WILL be silenced before that can happen. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities that GM has a dead-man's switch operating somewhere; for Christ's sake, she was the chief of staff of the world's largest and most elaborate sex trafficking and extortion ring.

Why would it be beyond the pale for her to have shipped a box of Epstein's hard drives from his Florida properties? They could easily have been shipped to some douche in another country who benefits from a trust for as long as they sit on that information, with instructions to release the documents online if GM is reported as dead.

She's a spy master. Don't take anything for what you see.
- I started seeing it differently the second I realised she was Robert Maxwell's daughter.
  That guy was dodgy as fuck and so is she. She could well be the one that ordered Epstein be Epsteined.
- I dunno. I haven't seen that proven definitively yet, but I know that several of her siblings did go into the intelligence industry. It is not farfetched, either, given Alex Acosta's comment that he was told Epstein was an intelligence asset and to leave it alone.

#Truth

And MAGA will lap it up like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter.

Well yeah, how else can they claim the list isn’t real?

They are going to claim that the evidence never existed, something something Biden treason, and then point to the pardon from now on when people bring up the files.

I'm sure that's what she's angling for, but it would be stupid to think that will quell the anger. Not that I'm implying it being stupid means they won't do it.

They could. It would toss nitroglycerin onto the fracturing maga base, but they could. Almost anything they do will backfire.