Zohran Mamdani's Win Is the Beginning of the End of the Old Democratic Party
Zohran Mamdani's Win Is the Beginning of the End of the Old Democratic Party
Mamdani's NYC primary victory shows that the old tricks of the political establishment are dying out—and something new is being born.
Fuck I hope so...
I'm afraid it's too late though.
It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.
In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.
I wish I was kidding.
Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.
The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message
But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat
As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.
And there will be an after
I wouldn't be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams' image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they'll have to go with him.
It's Gotham City
Though I dont endorse accelerationism, when presented with that scenario accelerationism may be the only path forward. You cant keep hobbling for decades, slowly losing and falling further behind. It may be necessary to do what the nation is doing now: losing so that everyone can be reminded of what they had and what they want instead of being blissfully ignorant of both.
100%. The DNC are not our friends and havent been for a while now.
It is too late for electoral politics to save democracy, if that's what you're talking about. People like Mamdani are important for the day after, but Trump will have to be deposed much like his ilk in Ukraine and Tunisia.
I'm always very intrigued by those pushing the rhetoric that it's too late to use elections to solve this, and admonish anyone that tries.
But at the same time they themselves refuse to start a revolution they insist is the only way. While simultaneously waiting for someone else to do it for them.
In the end the suggestion seems to be to not do anything and hope someone else does it for you. Be that by democratic means or armed means.
If you're not starting the rebellion you sure as hell need to be engaged with the existing democratic proccess. Otherwise you're just not doing anything at all. Which is the worst option
Maybe in our current state, where corruption can occur, but in a new, more democratic system where corruption can't occur because no single person will have enough wealth or the financial incentive to be able to buy politicians.
The problem isn't electoral politics, but that we don't live in a democracy.
Agree 1000% ~ there's not much hope left.
Looks like they already beat you. They want people to give up. You're willingness to roll over accept defeat doesn't reflect how the rest of us feel.
time to tell everyone NY democrats to "Vote blue no matter who"
I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.
Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.
He even had Clinton's endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.
It's indicative of a deep, irreversible rift in the party. Either democrats adapt or they split in half.
Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs
He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He's another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.
The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he's a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.
I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.
Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.
No. AOC was.
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Is it though? Or is it wishful thinking?
I'm sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system
The two party system is a symptom of the actual cause.
Although the cause is actively encouraged by the symptom.
RCV undermines the necessity for a partisan vote. That's why Cuomo - the party establishment pick - lost by 8 points to a local outsider with better politics and a cleaner reputation.
But I agree, at some point, you do need to support someone. And if that someone is part of a large political organization (aka a party) they can bring a lot of financial and labor resources to bare when organizing and implementing political reforms. In the case of New York City, which is functionally a one party municipality (Dems regularly swamp the GOP 2:1), Zohran's entrance to the statewide political scene is a huge break from the traditional partisan politics that gave us Eric Adams and threatened to give us four more years of a corrupt, real estate entwined sex pest.
The fact that he's got a large, active, well-financed DSA behind him - in a way that transformed a coronation into a competitive primary - is a huge point in his favor.
Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.
I start wondering if it’s safe to imagine that maybe things could get better
It's always safe to imagine. Imagining is the first step to a better place to live. But the dream can't live in your head forever. At some point, you need to take action.
I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.
Mobilizing a large group of activists around a set of tangible and popular goals is its own reward, whether or not the electoral system is accommodating to the politician's success.
I fervently hope so.
This is NOT true! The ONLY Reason he Won was because we DIDNT have Elon Musk Backing us or make our Platform CLEAR enough! Next time we'll spend BILLIONS of Dollars LETTING people know we WONT do ANYTHING to Improve Their Lives! THAT will bring them RUSHING back to Us!
-Chuck Schumer and The DNC!
And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.
Oh yeah don’t worry - they’re already foaming at the mouth
Lets see if you get a President Mamdani in a decade or two. It would be a change for the better.
He can't run for president since he wasn't born American.
That is a downside, indeed.
Nonetheless, I seriously hope he has the impact on American politics he deserves. Maybe he is the GOP-killer the US so desperately needs.
Assuming it's not another bait and switch Dem like Fetterman and Sinema.
From your lips to the ears of Elpis.
Be honest. Had you guys heard of In These Times or The Institute for Public Affairs before seeing this post?
Uh, yeah? Inthesetimes is posted all the time. Had you not?
I'm not sure why you're linking to that non-profit. Are they the owners? It's there any reason you'd expect people to recognize them?
The latter no, but the former yes. I've seen their articles floating around here.
We've been waiting for your participation and votes in the Democratic Party. Its great to see people start taking part no matter what brings them on board. If you are excited about this consider joining your local Democratic party, every few years we re-elect everyone from the precinct all the way to the DNC. Check with your State Democratic party for more info.
You guys can't even give proper credit and ensure candidates anyone left of "not as fascist as the other party."
Eta: and sue to keep third party candidates off the ballots in swing states
We need a future where money doesn't decide politics and appreciate the work to make this an election decided on the issue. Its great day and with a great candidate winning. Having people get involved in their local party can help efforts to better align the party.
The issue about third party candidates might be a little mute in New York which is one of the last few states that has fusion voting in General elections. Its an intersting effort that allows other parties to nominate a candidate or endorse another parties candidate if they align. Seeing that Zohran Mamdani is a DSA member, its one of the voting methods that helped elect Socialist to office at the turn of the last century. Glad New York retains an intersting voting method and that former Governor Andrew Cuomo didn't succeed in ruining that legacy.
Even if you are more interested in DSA it is still worth joining the local party. I believe the DSA support the "Dirty Break" method to build off the Democrat party line and use that as leverage if they or their policies were to be pushed out.
If your intention is to bring new people into the Democratic party, you're doing a terrible job. And if it isn't and you just want to be condescending to straw men online, maybe don't tie that sort of attitude to the party. You can just be dickish in a personal capacity.
I can only hope ...
God I hope so.
