Opposition to the butchery in Gaza

This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.

Who will be ignored next?

My entire school life there was so much pontification over what "you" would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
Who will be ignored next?
Sudan
Myanmar
Armenia
Afghanistan
Tibet
These aren't next, these are already forgotten even though they're catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it's one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people's minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they're noble and righteous, but they won't actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they'll move on to that because it's new and we have short attention spands.
- How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
- I think it's media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.

You shouldn't blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.

Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
- I didn't say it was faith either. It's not mental illness or faith.
- I'm all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It's a curious topic.
- No, they're not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
  You're thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
That's not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
- In a certain sense you're right; psychop*th is Greek for "suffering soul". It's supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it's a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren't the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.

"Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don't deserve human empathy" - Israel, ~~probably~~ actually

Animal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse

Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
"Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their "cannibal" leaders."
And this is the first paragraph under "Background":
"Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions."
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let's always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse

I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.

I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.

Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn't immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There's something wrong with you as a person.

Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?

Yes, but I'm also a commie lol.

- Some leftists and others fall back on the old stereotype of powerhungry Reds who pursue power for powers sake without regard for actual social goals. If true, one wonders why, in country after country, these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves, rather than reaping the rewards that come with serving the well-placed.
  For decades, many left-leaning writers and speakers in the United States have felt obliged to establish their credibility by indulging in anticommunist and anti-Soviet genuflection, seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some anti-Red sideswipe. The intent was, and still is, to distance themselves from the Marxist-Leninist Left.
  ...
  Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
  The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged ele¬ ments of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little dif¬ ference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
  ...
  Sorely lacking within the U.S. Left is any rational evaluation of the Soviet Union, a nation that endured a protracted civil war and a multinational foreign invasion in the very first years of its existence, and that two decades later threw back and destroyed the Nazi beast at enormous cost to itself. In the three decades after the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets made industrial advances equal to what capitalism took a century to accomplish — while feeding and schooling their children rather than working them fourteen hours a day as capitalist industrialists did and still do in many parts of the world. And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba, provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandelas African National Congress in South Africa.
  Parenti "Blackshirts and Reds"
- I can agree with that.
- Leftist infighting serves the capitalists

This person LOVES HITLER!

-The ADL and MOST American Politicians!

I mean.... I've been saying similar stuff for a while. I'm not on anyone's side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it's not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don't have one.

HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn't matter where, or who, or when... If some group is killing another group, I don't like that.

The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what's happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia's actions there. I don't dislike Russia's or Russians, I don't have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.

Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people's of what culture or religion.... I just don't like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed...

I don't know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don't care, just stop murdering eachother.

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Note: It's Ukraine, not "the Ukraine".
Calling it "the Ukraine" is Russian propaganda.
https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748

OMG, so antisemitic... /s

Caring has nothing to do with your paycheck, caring is about basic human empathy. I wouldn't be surprised when lower income would care more than higher.
- How can they have time to consume media that talk about Gaza?
That's one way to control the crowds, make them too busy to think outside the rat race.

Isn't being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying "War is bad" has become so controversial and extremist.

I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.

Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.

I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
Have there been consequences for the United States' or Canada's genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while "acknowledging its troubled past" but you're still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I'm not even saying it wouldn't be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.
I hope you're right.
I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.
Possibly, but that won't help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.

let's discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide

Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.

You'll find this kind of bs from every extremist faction, "oh you support Gaza, immigration, human rights and welfare, you must be a woke tankie communist" and "oh you're not an anti-capitalist far-left anti-money extremist commie tankie, you must be a dirty fascist" basically a summary or american politics🤦‍♂️ 🤡

Edit: the downvotes are just proving my point lol I'm literally saying the exact same thing said in the screenshot. There's not just two opposing extremes there's nuance to things, don't fight stupidity with stupidity, just cause magas fascist and extreme doesn't mean I should go find the equally opposing extreme.

I don't disagree with Trump just cause he's Trump, I disagree with his actions and the bs he says, and based off of those actions I think he's a knobhead and do not like him. When he pardoned Ross Ulbricht I didn't say, well it was done by Trump so it was evil. Do I think he did it for his own personal motives or gain and votershare? Yes, but I do believe he deserved freedom, and Trump did it for the wrong reasons.

Americans don't get it's not the centre of the universe sometimes.

I'm including a link from a news report released yesterday at the bottom of this comment.
I'll save you from actually clicking on it and watching this horrific video, and just let you know, it's a 5 yo girl in Gaza trapped in a burning building after it was bombed by the Israeli army. The building is a former school the girl had been sheltering in along with her parents, younger sibling, and several others.
She screams in pain as she desperately tries to escape from the flames, and people outside scream for help as they watch her running around inside. Luckily a fireman was able to help her escape, but she was horribly burned and lost her entire family. The reporter later finds her in a hospital several weeks later, trying to recover and crying out for her mother.
If you still feel from that description that ignoring what is happening right now is acceptable or you're pretending it can somehow be justified in any context, you should make yourself watch the video. Keep in mind this is one of countless stories like it.
It's extremely disturbing because what's happening is literally extreme and should make any human capable of empathy uncomfortable. It's easier to ignore it and pretend it's not happening, but that's always the case with genocide.
If watching the video and knowing all of this still changes nothing for you, then you should also know you are literally showing callous and unemotional traits associated with psychopathy. That's not BS, it's a fact of reality.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000010207629/gaza-israeli-strike-palestinian-girl-silhouette-fire.html
- BRO, did I not say I was staunchly against Zionism. I explicitly said that, I mentioned how in the screenshot the person making the post said that she isn't against Israel because she's a communist, anti-Jews, anarchist or far-left, but because she's against genocide. Fuck Israel and Zionism but not Jews, I could not make that any more clear, I'm saying extremists always believe that when people disagree with anything at all they automatically believe they are extreme in the opposite direction.

This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.

Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It's a pattern.

Please don't promote this crap just because it sounds "good". Free Palestine.

What antisemitism is being implied?
Thanks for the headsup. I've edited out her details so only the message is visible.

According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐

Either that, or the psychological abuse techniques that militaries do to turn normal people into obedient soldiers are effective. Israel has compulsory military service, so nearly all of the population of the country went through it. That's how they get that 80% support.

I also do not oppose them for those same reasons.

Also all of those reasons (except love hamas/hate jews), but not just because of those.

Haha, I read your comment pre-edit at first but assumed it was an oversight!
I also agree with your agreement with OP to not oppose them for those same reasons.

"don't blame us, those dastardly Iranians made us commit genocide!"
Spare us the genocide apologia please.
Anything to draw the conversation away from pissrael huh?
Yeah, Israel is slaughtering children by the dozen, but have you looked over here in a while?

For real. I genuinely like Israel and have many israeli friends still but the incompetence of Israel government is so staggering it's imposdible to align with even if you think Hamas deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history.

Recent polls show 81% of the Israeli population agree that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed. It's not just the government, and it's not "incompetence", it's deliberate malice.
And Hamas's crimes are a drop in the ocean compared to Israel, so if you think Hamas "deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history," what do you think Israel deserves?
- They're both terrorists, why try to defend hamas? A bad situation doesn't excuse massacre. Both are guilty.
- You explain it very well. However, I don't think it's necessarilly their opinion that Gaza deserves deleting.
You genuinely like an apartheid regime?
- Despite that it's the only country in the middle east where you'll not be tortured and murdered for being gay so umm there's clearly something to like here, no?
- i didn’t read it like that… i read it in the same way that you might read that you like many american people, but their government are frequently massive twats… the country is not the people, and in both cases there was (is) genocide involved

I am for a 2 state solution, and a version of the Neuremburg Trials for both the IDF and Hamas for their crimes against humanity. Gaza should be a part of Palestine, as with the West Bank, with the settlers in both having to move back, and return the land to it's owners prior. Palestine and Israel seperated by UN peacekeepers at both sides, is my solution for preventing further invasions. Free and fair elections for Palestine, should occur. Both those who think 1 state as Israel or Palestine are insane.

How do you split that baby?
- You look at the ones who have been bombing historical sites and give it to the others.
- I forgot to mention, making it easy to cross the border is another thing I believe there should be. Something like the 1950s agreement line?

how do I boost on lemmy

This is like saying "well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?" in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
- Killing 1200 people is still bad
You're just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German "civilians" to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
- Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
Yeah didn't OP know that it's illegal to mention Israel's crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
- It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
- October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
- It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
- Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
- You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust

Yes
What's your point with this? That the allies were right to bomb civilians? That we can have a little genocide, as a treat?
The allies didn't try to completely wipe out the population of Germany to replace them with their own colonists.

Nah, like usual, religion is solely to blame here.

Conflating Zionism with Judaism is how you create antisemitism. One of the largest constituencies of antizionism is in the Jewish community itself.
- All religions are evil. This specific one is causing the genocide in Gaza right now.
Ah, yes, the genocide and its fascist underpinnings created by seculer atheists inspired by Renaissance and Enlightenment ideals are completely the fault of religion.
Absolutely, religion is at the heart of fascism. But it's probably not the religion that you're thinking of...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Liberals just can't get enough of that thought policing.

Don't bother with people stuck in earlier stages of development. All they hear are excuses and immorality

I would rather bother them very loudly.