Liberal Death Cult

Just a little exploitation for my benefit, as long as it doesn't happen near me.

"How about half a genocide?"

What about working for the no death ?

No. If there is any hope of actual survival, that comes before all else. Accepting the slow death of "voting blue no matter who" means that there is no possibility of averting fascism whatsoever. It is an inevitability that if the only side representing "the left" is associating itself with a declining status quo while refusing to do any of the things necessary to keep that status quo functional, them people will abandon it, and if the only ones offering an alternative are the far-right, then they are the ones who will win. There is no hope of survival whatsoever.

There are, however, two possibilities that do offer some slim hope of surviving. One is that the Democratic party can be pressured into doing the basic, minimal tasks of governance necessary to avert fascism - tasks that they will never simply choose to do of their own volition. The second is that the left can establish a credible alternative outside of the organization of the Democratic party, whether electorally or otherwise. Both of those objectives are furthered by voting third party when the Democrats are offering someone insultingly unacceptable, while "voting blue no matter who" flies directly contrary to both goals.

You're thinking of it as doing chemo when there's no cure. That's not what this is. This is deciding to just take a nice little nap in the comfy snow because your legs are so tired and you'll totally get up again in just a few minutes, rather than choosing to get up and push forward through the darkness in the hope, however slim, of finding an actual shelter.

This "buying time to organize" line is constantly thrown around, I don't buy it as sincere at all, for starters. But regardless, time is not on our side, buying time only means allowing conditions to deteriorate further, it's just procrastinating and kicking the can down the line. And how do you effectively organize an alternative to the status quo and present yourself as separate from it while simultaneously trying to rally around it and supporting it unconditionally? It's nonsense.

Not voting means the party has to start offering policies to entice you back.

Leftists have been doing this strategy for a couple decades now. How successful has this been at moving the Overton window left?

Progressives are Neoliberal 2.0. In the corporate sector, this is called getting ahead of the problem. co-op the left before the left can even learn to walk again. There are billionaires on both sides supporting this pseudo world aka left and Right paradigm. We are all just watching Shadows dance on the walls. We are not going to vote our way out of these bigger problems. And if you keep it real and you see how the sausage is made, you can pretty much predict how this is all eventually gonna go. The Ratchet effect. We move further and further to the right. And clearly this has something to do with fiscal realities and the suffering of the working class. Like guns aren't the problem. The problem is fiscal. And those fiscal problems lead to interpersonal issues. The guns don't help though. We don't like to deal with the root causes because it questions the very nature of our existence. Ultimately, I am victorious because we will destroy ourselves. We are literally in the process of destroying all life on Earth. It's kind of awesome being right about everything. Unfortunately, I am mortal and I suffer just like all the other slobs.

I think they're confusing "progressive" with "Performative Discord Leftists Who want to have intellectual arguments but are afraid of real conservatives so they just infight and purity test all day" or "Lemmy users"

it's in the mod log.

rule 7

Of course it is, you're only panicking, not panicking while in incredible pain.

It is sad reality in the two-party states.

We’re clearly in a trend of rising authoritarianism, but that doesn’t mean it’s inevitable. Such waves have receded in the past and they likely will again.

I just don’t like these inevitability narratives because they deprive people of agency in shaping society. Sure, maybe liberalism has a tendency to creep towards fascism, at least under some conditions. But this happens through the actions of the people that make up those societies and it can be resisted.

Old age isn’t even a thing you can die from. This analogy fails on multiple fronts.

Well I guess if you have a long enough timeline everything possible becomes inevitable. But I don’t think that’s quite what the meme is saying.

Nah you're right. Good thing trump is getting rid of them...OH WAIT.

Ignored? Biden did try to reunite with their families the migrant children who were caged under Trump's first term. Some couldn't be found because of the Trump administration's lax recordkeeping, but they didn't just ignore them. That's just a lie.

They have to proselytize and guilt trip for a politician failing at their job of winning over voters.

It's not gaslighting if it's the truth.

By voting (or just not voting) you participated in the system. If you want to be against the system, then you need to overthrow it.

You played to lose, which was dumb, and you played to lose when there was nothing to gain, and everything to lose (which is even more dumb). If you aren't burning shit, then you never actually cared enough to be against it, you're an apathetic asshole who squandered their only voice to say "I don't care if the facists win, Kamala isn't perfect and I can't stand that". You may not have voted for trump, but you sure as fuck voted for all of this. I have no respect for the people that lack neither the intelligence to make the right decisions, nor the conviction to live with the consequences of making the wrong one.

You need to re-read the comment.

Stein barely got 100k more votes than Kennedy, who had dropped out of the race and endorsed trump.

I understand your satire, but clearly you did not understand what "Playing to lose" meant.

My perspective is that you fight on ALL fronts and you don't leave power on the table for fascists to grab just because it doesn't fit in with your revolution fantasy narrative to do so. I never said nor implied that voting is enough. It isn't. But it is a simple way to keep dangerous people away from power.

democracy, the act of people voting for one outcome over another. is not inherently linked to any monetary system.

if i vote to grow potatoes in my garden lot, and others in my group vote for tomatoes, and they win, so we grow tomatoes, thats democracy. what we want to do with the crop afterwards, and why, is what links it to another system.

democracy by itself is not capitalist. its just used in capitalist systems, and various others.

Liberal is anti authoritarian

Anti liberal = anti anti authoritarian = pro authoritarian

So if "the status quo" inevitably leads to fascism, the only way to avoid fascism would be a society that is in constant change? Well, for one thing, every society is in constant change unless you install some kind of religious dogmatic dictatorship, and even those break after some time under the stress of sociological pressures.

Fascism, or things very much like it, happen whenever you let fear mongering powerhungry fools who deny reality in favor of some kind of nostalgia infused "greater" image of your society get away with their bullshit.

Human leadership leads to fascism at some point, because humans love their fears and their tribal behavior.

I'm well familiar with anarchist theory. One of my best professors in college was heavily into anarchist philosophy and we've had many in depth conversations. I don't want to sit around and do high brow discourse. I want concrete actionable plans. What's the plan?