The Supreme Court signals it might be losing patience with Trump
The Supreme Court signals it might be losing patience with Trump
In an unusual overnight order, most of the justices voted to halt several illegal deportations.
Summary
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court handed down a brief order forbidding the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan immigrants from the United States without due process.
The ACLU claims “dozens or hundreds” were allegedly given an English-language document, despite the fact that many of them only speak Spanish.
The Supreme Court ruled the government must give any immigrant “notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”
The Court’s one-paragraph order states that “the Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order.”
Though it is just one order, Saturday’s post-midnight order suggests that the Court may no longer tolerate procedural shenanigans intended to evade meaningful judicial review.
They forfeited their power by making the President basically immune to prosecution, then they get all offended that he will ignore their orders.
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This is what drives me crazy.
Ok, the president is immune, the people that execute his orders are not.
If the courts started holding people under the president accountable for their actions there would be a change in the wind.
Yes, for the defeatists, holding those people accountable is complex and the president would just pardon them but, it would start a real process of the branches of government holding each other accountable.
The president also has unchecked pardon power. He's already shown he's willing to use it to pardon people who tried to overthrow the government for him.
We're now going to spend the next decade plus arguing over what exactly entails 'official acts'.
Technically they made themselves the arbiters of what constituents official duties of the president.
This is a very relevant point
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
Gives the President full immunity because it’s the [R]ight thing to do, complains when he stops listening to them.
It’s all the same attitude from shitty people.
Irrelevant to this discussion but
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
With the housing crisis in some countries people just have to accept all the housing they can get or live on the streets. Doesn't mean they cant complain about noise.
Actually prosecuting a sitting president was always nearly impossible. The immunity thing has to do with what happens after the president is no longer in office, doesn't it? Also, he only has absolute immunity for official acts. So then the question is what constitutes an official act.
And realistically the Supreme Court will eventually reverse itself, assuming that the democracy somewhat survives another decade, which is a good question. Because their ruling about absolute immunity just made no sense. But even if you think it did make sense, there are so many cases that have to go to court to be resolved. If the courts rule against a specific action and the president reads the court order and then does the bad action anyway, does it count as official? I think we can argue that it doesn't, because the courts specifically clarified that it's not allowed. But the president's attorneys would argue the opposite. So then it has to go back to the Supreme Court.
Assuming Trump stays in good health long enough to leave the White House, I think it's unavoidable that the above situation will occur.
"I swear if you blatantly disregard like 12 or 13 more rulings and we're totally gonna get super duper serious!"
-SCOTUS I guess?
“Signals”, “might”.
Next up is the wagging finger, furrowed brow, and tersely worded letter.
Dont forget the interpretive dance!
“Keep this up, and I swear we’re gonna leave a very harsh voice-mail on your phone!”
Are ya gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?
They bark all they want but they can't bite. They need the executive to enforce their decisions. Ain't happening. Thanks Citizens United. Oh, wait, they decided that.
I'm profoundly disinterested in what cannot be done.
I am intensely interested in the collective American response to their President being an existential threat, specifically by doing what cannot be done, with absolutely no evidence that it was difficult to do in the first place.
I’ll believe it when I see it
SCOTUS: You will abide by the lower court's decision and facilitate the return of the man you admit was sent to a torture prison in El Salvador in error.
Trump's White House: Yeah, no. He's never coming back.
SCOTUS: ...or else...?
Is that a real official communication from the White House?
Never too late, guys.
Well, it's not too late yet, anyway - but we're damned close.
Anything is better than nothing, but when I get a pizza party instead of a raise, it still feels like it could be better. I guess give them yet another chance to show something? How many has it been now?
I’m sure the fascists will respect the courts. This time.
Call again once they have him in court, wearing a nice orange jump suit and heavy duty handcuffs.
Someone might be getting a strongly worded letter soon.
Don’t forget the clutching pearls.
Yeah but this presupposes that Trump can read.
I'm so tired of speculation in articles like this.
When the courts decide to shit or (far more likely) get off the pot, then tell us. Don't waste our time with this "Look! Here's how we could totally get him if anyone responsible for doing so actually bothered to give a shit!" garbage.
Eighty more earnings and they're going to issue a strongly worded letter.
Edit: I meant warnings, but... This is actually better.
Legit question: what would you want the Supreme Court to do which is more extreme than a strongly-worded letter? Correct me if I'm wrong, but everything they do ultimately boils down to a letter which is more or less strongly worded.
You are correct. It falls on all of America, starting with the justice system, to recognize that order.
We need to save due process.
Time to arrest him
tRUMP: "lol"
If they keep clutching those pearls any harder, they're going to get carpel tunnel.
I got sick of all these 'might' and 'may' headlines in 2021. Why are we still doing it?
Oh no, they might give him a reprimand
scotus is probably concerned that targetting one of GOPs POC voting base will hurt thier future elections. also they want to keep the grift going as long as possible.