I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre
I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre
There were other tourists, too. Bana, from Romania, was on holiday in Canada and visited Peace Arch park, on the international boundary between the US and Canada. She told Becky she had been taking selfies with her husband when a US border official told her they had strayed into American territory without the right visa and took her into custody.
So they're bringing people into the country to arrest them. Genius. Those detention centers must be rolling in cash right now and DOGE is ignoring it.
Speaking as an American, everyone who can needs to stay the fuck out until we can get some semblance of having our shit together.
My entire extended family is in America. They voted for Trump, we will never be visiting them again most likely. America is not safe.
I used to take semi-regular business trips to the US, but I think from this point I will try to move everything online. Aside from it not being safe for me in other ways, all it would take is someone with a suspicion that my work on the trip is "illegal" to send me to prison :/
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work -- you don't need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I'm just being silly, and I know you're not wrong, I'm just sayin. There's a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is "work" if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
It's not work because you're depriving someone of the job, it's work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It's just a non cash benefit.
She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn't enough, so I'd like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
Yea, no. This is only considered 'work' if you're a physics teacher.
That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard in my life.
You absolutely do not need to do anything to pay your staff it's just a standing order bank transaction.
That's not work? That's common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
It's sad to see factual comments like yours getting downvoted, because some just don't want to hear this truth.
It doesn't mean you support these kind of things happening, just that you understand the reasons they're doing this shit...
And @ all the haters, get a life... you can disagree with the current rules, and how they're enforced, but you can't deny reality.
This article could have been written as a warning to others about lying to Immigration officials and the possible repercussions but they just go straight to making this girl the poor victim.
The whole article can be summed up with, If you lie to ICE (FA) and they find out (FO) you're going to have a bad time.
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
It's not free of charge if you have to work in exchange for room and board. She was employed by the home owners and instead of cash she got a room.
Her whole trip was planned around working off her room and board with manual labor. She knew exactly what she was doing, she lied, she got caught.
Yeah, doing chores around the house in exchange for stay is "payment". No money exchanges hands, she gets to make friends, sometimes even have a personal guide, she wasn't short on money and could pay for groceries herself, she even had the money to pay for a flight home.
Framing this as "she was employed" is ludicrous. Painting it as if she was dependent on it is ridiculous. Locking her up instead of sending her straight home is bonkers.
Also saying she was "fucking around" is a straight lie. She told ICE she was there with Workaway. She actually told them the truth. Lying would've been "I paid for my stay".
I know empathy is difficult on the internet, but it seems like reading is even more difficult for you.
Framing this as "she was employed" is ludicrous. Painting it as if she was dependent on it is ridiculous. Locking her up instead of sending her straight home is bonkers.
And if it had been employment, the correct law enforcement action would've been to arrest her host for trafficking/modern slavery/failing to pay minimum wage, not go after her, the victim.
You're angry at America and ICE, but it was Canada that refused her entry and first took issue with her activity. After that, when she immediately came back across the border, America was pretty much obligated to look into things.
They definitely should have just deported her immediately, but she apparently did break the visa terms. I read somewhere it was to do with her giving tattoos, or at least that was part of the accusation against her.
3 weeks' detention is the fucked up part.
That maybe so, but why such an excessive stay? Stick her on a plane, sorted.
While I agree the time in detention was excessive, this wasn't at an airport, it was at the Canadian land border. So it's understandable that she wouldn't immediately get on a plane back home - she'd likely have to be taken to a central facility and then transferred to an airport. But yeah, that shouldn't take 3 weeks.
If they didn't want to go to prison, they shouldn't have stolen the candy bar. FAFO! Also I hate authoritarians. FREEDOM!
Okay Maga Hat.
Because what the ICE did, while maybe de jure legal, was overexatturated?
Best to get a lobotomy before going to the US that way they won’t be able to accuse you of trying to work illegally while you’re there. It also has the benefit that you’ll finally be on the same mental level as Trump and his supporters.
Doing payroll would be you performing a transaction in another country to people in that other country. At no point are you performing work where you receive remuneration in the country you're visiting - which is the point of working visas. Just because you did a bit of paperwork for your work back home doesn't mean you're violating tourist visa conditions.
So what I'm not understanding is, why are we putting people in jail for something that isn't causing harm? Unless, is there something about overstaying your visa that is harmful?
To do maximum harm to Hispanics. We have totally legal Americans who are Hispanic leaving the country, they can afford to, and it's all because of this ethnic clensing, which is 100% what anti immigration hate is about its that Hispanics aren't white enough, and they want us all out now.
There's already talk from Trump's goverment that they are considering special IDs being required. You know. Exactly what the Nazi did gearing up for the holocaust. This is ethnic clensing, it's disregarding the rights of any Hispanic people and attacking them legally and illegally and daring anyone to stop them. So far, no one in particular cares.
In this case, however, it is a white British national. It doesn't seem to fit into the racist rhetoric that normally comes out of this administration, instead being a broader targeting of foreigners in general. (This of course not being the only case of Europeans facing problems)
Racism is a huge factor, but it seems the end goal goes further towards complete isolationism.
Catering to your idiotic voters is the reason.
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!
Say does anybody in the EU want to host an american who's down on his luck?
Is that Homer Simpsonn?
I'm sorry, but this is NOT the kind of person I want in prison. AND I don't want prisons profiting off her misery.
People have been denied entry to the US because they said they were going to house sit. To the law that’s considered work for accommodation. Immigration has every right to deny you entry. Doesn’t matter if you guys agree with it or not.
Just never say you are doing chores or work in exchange for accommodation to any border cop in any country. So never say you do homestay or are housesitting. It will get you kicked out in many countries not just the US and Canada.
Also this article just proves to only cross the US border by airplane. It seems that every tourist that is in an ICE detention center crossed the border on land.
If she landed in Vancouver she would’ve been send home by plane. Also I bet she wouldn’t have been caught if she went trough immigration at the airport. Canadian immigration cops are a lot stricter at the borders than at the airport.
Did you not simply say “British ! Enough of your nonsense! “ and come home to your king ?
I'm having real difficulty convincing my mother not to go to the US. She doesn't really pay much attention to the news and although she knows some things are going on I find it very hard to get her to understand how serious it is.
this is well within the territory where you shouldn't feel bad about pulling out all the stops and making a personal emotional appeal, outright beg her not to go, tell her you're terrified of losing your mom
There's a significant amount of Americans that are trying to get out. After they close the boarders in they start closing them going out.
When in fact her advice should have been “understand the terms of your visa”
Yeah
Tell that to the man in an El Salvador prison admitted to be an "admin error". He knew exactly what his terms were and didn't break any laws. He was sent illegally and he's not coming back. This isn't "it happens under all administrations". Wake up, people are being detained in broad daylight and then theyre cancelling their visas. Wake up before it starts happening to you too.
Meh, sure she was wrong on that, but that doesn't justify taking her into custody and refusing to allow her to go home.