If I owned a Tesla right now, I'd be in a bad situation.
I sure as hell no longer want to be seen in one.
The market for them has crashed, and nobody wants to buy one used.
If I could afford a Tesla, I'd surely have insurance...
I'd be rooting for somebody to set that shit on fire
I saw on AliExpress a fake double exhaust pipe kit for the Nissan leaf (ev) to attach with VHB to the back side
Edit: found the link in my notes app (acquisition date October 2023), but sadly it has been delisted, hopefully someone can use it to find a cached version or even just a photo of that https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004107275197.html
I've also been daydreaming along these lines. I have an old Porsche that doesn't run I've sort of wanted to electrify. There are a few kits out there, but pricy. If I get a cheap-as-shit Tesla, could I break it down and retrofit? Weight and suspension would be a problem. Plus I've heard they are a complete arse about proprietary computer stuff.
That or a Mazda 13b could be fun, but I'd have to gear it down somehow.
I've actually been checking if the prices for used Tesla's have gone down enough. I've been itching for an EV for years. But other EVs are actually cheaper.
As much as people like to shit on them due to the connection to Musk, they can be good cars with some caveats.
The electronic door handles are bullshit and dangerous.
The touch console is not as good as physical climate controls. Everything else commonly used can be done through the steering wheel controls for the most part.
Service centers have really poor service, but since they’re EVs you shouldn’t need to do it often. (Unless it’s a Cybertruck lol).
Buying used is great because you don’t send that money to Musk. In fact the updates and support technically cost them over time.
You still pay him every time you use the Tesla charging network. Which is one of the biggest (and best) so you’re kinda SOL on charging without supporting him.
I can share my experience if you'd like, I'm also EU based, I'm assuming like you if you're looking at Peugeot (they don't sell in the US).
I come from a long lineage of buying shitty old second hand cars and driving them until they die or aren't worth fixing to pass the yearly check. Eventually when I had a decent job and my wife moved here and couldn't drive manual cars, we got a Lexus hybrid, 4 years old car we still have today. I love Toyota/Lexus but when I started my business I wanted more space to move my equipment.
Started with a 20 years old Renault Kangoo, that was actually fine but none of the electric stuff worked (windows, dashboard, etc...).
I knew I was gonna replace it at least for safety reasons, and already wanted to go electric but my wife wasn't convinced, so I got one more gas car (ford focus wagon) and the engine was so shit it couldn't handle a slight hill climb with us in the car....
I decided I was done with gas cars and we actually debated getting a brand new car. During this search, it was clear Tesla was a slightly better deal on paper than the competition when buying new. Basically for the price of base models in other brands you get all the options with Tesla model Y...
But I really didn't want to get Tesla for all the moral reasons, + there's a lot of hidden costs with them especially insurance, additional safety equipment required by said insurance and the big costs for repairs in case of even minor fender benders...
Realised going brand new was just not for us, we're just not that wealthy and it would've ended up costing us more than the house monthly, not to mention going into debt for it.
So I took a long hard look at my requirements and realized 95% of the time I don't need the extra space, so I found a used Peugeot 208 electric which I was able to swap my ford for and basically didn't pay anything additional when all said and done.
I LOVE it, it's well built, I got the GT with all options, and the size is actually perfect for navigating European roads, I can park anywhere, go anywhere, no more worrying about no emission zones, etc etc.
The battery range is not the best on the market by a large margin but it's honestly totally usable, for daily use you always leave the house with a full battery and make it home easily, and fast charge is very fast for highway trips but you do have to stop more often. The space inside is way more than you'd expect, I just have to use my old trusted Tetris skills once I'm a while, and when it's not enough for the big projects with more requirements, I rent a van for the day...
Now don't get me wrong stellantis is pretty shit too but at least less visibly than Tesla, and their app/connected services are useless, but I still love my little 208. It'll certainly become the 2nd car some day though once we replace the Lexus for another full electric with more range/space.
I would worry about the 2008 though since it's the same battery in a heavier vehicle and range is already something I have to think about in the 208.
I worry a lot less about getting a "cheaper" electric brand too, because the mechanics of it are so much simpler with fewer points of failure, whereas I basically only trust Toyota's engines anymore on the gas front.
My neighbor's in that bucket, he bought one back when I would have bought my self one had I been in better financial health.
There's probably a lot of left-wing upper middle class that have them. Ever since musk came on the scene Tesla's been awfully bullish on making it hard to sell them.
This is me, exactly. We're leaving the country in the next 6-8 months and can't justify selling it just to buy another car that we'll then sell soon after. In the meantime, I get shit for "being a nazi" despite being a leftist. Good times.
Honestly, I love the car. We haven't had any issues with it, it drives great, the features are nice, and the energy efficiency is top notch. I wish Elno would step down as CEO and/or die so we could take it with us, but I doubt he will.
Love my m3 in the us, but I am so glad when we moved that I bought a plug in hybrid instead. It's a piece of shit in comparison and crazy expensive, but it feels cleaner.
People don’t have to be stuck with a Tesla. I sold my 2018 Model 3 to Carvana last week for 18k. Yesterday I turned right around and bought a 2019 Audi Q5 for 18k. I never wanted to go back to gas, but I only plan on owning this until I can get the Rivian R2 I reserved. Then I’ll sell the Audi for the down payment on the Rivian. Should be a year or two max.
After the bad experience with startup, tech company car brands that caused you to short sell your Tesla, your long-term plan is to get a different startup, tech company car?
Why not? I made a lot of money from Tesla. If Rivian follows the same path, I will again. I am a tech early adopter, I’m willing to do these things. My Tesla was amazing for 7 years. I got an ok price for it. The price was good enough to buy an Audi which is one year younger.
Also, I doubt RJ Scaringe is going to stage a coup to own the US. Elon has set a fascist bar that nobody can clear.
Its two things: I don't want to show any support Tesla, and don't have the luxury of selling my car and buying a different one. Second, I think you might be surprised how many people really don't know what cars look like. Sure, "car people" will know, but most people aren't "car people".
I think there is a lot of middle ground. At the end of the day I don't have the mental energy to care about what some random billionaire is doing all the time. Its not that I don't care entirely but I don't spend every minute of my time thinking about it.