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ID: text says:
"Liberal: How can you go to bed at night after promoting violence? I get that they're Nazis but it's still violence.
Me:"
Bellow is an image of Homer Simpson asleep, tucked in to a cosy looking bed with a big contented smile on his face.
Bash the fasc
They're trying to label antifa as a terrorist org. Think about that for a second.
Edit: thanks to @flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com it's come to my attention that this is not widely covered. Link to the bill is below
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/26
fucking morons. antifa is a concept, not a "org" like the proud pussy boys
the bad thing is they can label anyone they want as "antifa" then detain them without any actual charges.
"that's illegal!!!"
yea. and?
habeas corpus, due process, "innocent until proven guilty" -- bid farewell to all that, and anything else that was protecting you from them and not the other way around
Nazi lives dont matter
be safe people
mask up
gloves
leave your phone at home
and ffs don't post about it --anywhereIf you're organizing use E2E comms and if you're researching use Tor Browser. Better yet use a Tails USB on a coffee shop wifi.
https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-use-signal
https://www.torproject.org/download/
https://tails.net/doc/first_steps/index.en.html
And don't communicate over email, even encrypted email.
Burner phone bought with cash set to auto upload to somewhere untraceable. After you are far away and safe.
If can't afford that and feel you need to document, disable all location tracking on your phone and put it in airplane mode. Do not take it out of airplane mode unless there is an extreme emergency. Not even wifi allowed. Disable all biometric unlock. Make a long PIN and memorize it, don't write it down. Keep the phone locked or set it up to lock with one click in case it is taken from you.
Just in total agreement here about everything else but we need proof.
If you feel you need to document, just bring a camera. Doesn't matter if it's a DC-G9, or a point-and-shoot from Walmart, it's a simple matter to strip meta info from images. If the federal government really wanted to track who was at a protest, they could probably figure out who bought a "burner" phone, even if you used cash. Those cheap phones still upload a vast amount of tracking data, and even if you turn off location tracking, it's still on and working because Google doesn't allow you to turn off location for their services. So even with it turned off, you can still be caught with a geofence warrant.
"just leave fascism to fester and spread until it requires another world war, that's much less violent"
Makes total sense.
Makes total sense.
It does, when you realise they're confident enough in their privilege to believe (often rightfully) that a world war won't impact them personally.
Nonviolence is a social agreement. If you don't promote violence against others, neither will I promote violence against you.
Since that premise doesn't hold for Nazis, the conclusion doesn't restrain me either.
Liberals have been defending arming neo-Nazis in Europe, and arming a genocide. Accept the fact that they are also Nazis.
Capital will always turn to fascism, when the people demand equity.
sadly neo-nazis in Europe are already armed :/
In large part because Congress lifted a ban on arming them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/06/10/azov-brigade-ukraine-us-weapons/
more info for the downvotes ☞ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/the-prince-the-plotters-and-the-would-be-putsch-germany-to-try-far-right-coup-gang
looks like they are armed pathetically
Copypasting this comment I copied from lemmy a couple months ago.
Sorry OP I can’t remeber who you are.“One of the core tenants of neoliberal education is that violence is always wrong, it's never the answer, etc. They repeat it so often and in so many places because it's at obvious odds with the state. They use violence against us so often and on such wide scales that their only option is to convince that it's not violence.
Over producing with limited resources is violence. Throwing away food while people starve is violence. Leaving buildings empty while people die of the cold on the street is violence. Preventing the sick and dying from accessing healthcare is violence. Evicting people from their homes is violence. Depriving the chronically ill and physically disabled of the means of survival because they can't generate capital for capitalists is violence. Climate change is violence.
The truth is that they deeply fear what we would do if we actually recognized all those things as violence. They do literally everything in their power to prevent us from achieving class consciousness. They have infected literally every single facet of society in an effort to keep us from seeing each other as human.”
Edit: Nevermind I found the original comment. All credit goes to @LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I can see why you saved that, that's very well said.
None dare speak of Social Murder.
I roll my eyes real hard when moderates oversimplify to just "violence". As if genocide and defense against genocide are morally equivalent in the slightest.
It's a coward's way to sound principled while pretending state violence isn't violence.
The only good authoritarian is a dead one.
This post was designed to just piss people off. It serves no other purpose.
Lies. It also made me feel good. Two purposes.
It’s just pure imagination. A power fantasy. Bet op has never bashed a Nazis skull in.
Are you worried about violence?
I consider myself liberal but don't care about Nazi lives. I don't know any liberal who does.
This reeks of strawman to me. Typical leftist drivel.
Lmfao, literally all of you, it's your fucking function in society to shield nazi lives and enable their existence.
Seems like you're making things up, just like this made up interaction in the image
K.
somebody needs a hug
No thanks. I socially distance from the terminally online.
Going online and telling other people to commit violence is incredibly easy. It also has little to no impact on actual violent activity.
By contrast, you've got politicians actively running cover for paramilitary in the US. If you can shoot someone and get away with it - as in during the Rittenhouse murder, the Daniel Perry murder, the NYPD subway shooting, various murders of migrants on the border... you can take this all the way back to Rodney King or the MOVE Bombing if you like - then you have a strong incentive to do it again.
By contrast, if you're a Christopher Dorner or a Micah Xavier Johnson or a John Allen Muhammad or a Luigi Mangione, state officials will have unlimited resources and full license to take them in dead or alive.
Consider a case in Houston Texas of police demolishing the side of a building to get at a suspect of a police shooting
You can talk all the shit you want about fascists but when push comes to shove where do you think you're going to be standing? Fascism works because the fascists are killers and the shitposters are terminally online dorks.
And where pray tell will you stand? What conversations are you having in the meat space? You talk a lot about the real world in your comment replies but I see very little talk about proposed solutions or actionable content. You seem to yell at the same clouds of those that you chide. Just from a different angle.
I didn't get no sleep cuz of ya'all! So ya'all ain't gon' get no sleep cuz of meeeee!
Next to my wife
Do they condemn violence against Nazis? As far I have yet seen, they are willing bedfellows to fascists when it comes to economic policies. But I haven't heard any liberals object to hitting Nazis.
