Remember kids, if you like anything in a series, you must like everything in that series, or you aren't a real fan.
Also, anyone who likes the parts of a series you dislike is an idiot that uncritically absorbs trash and doesn't understand why the good parts are good.
And of course, the coolest thing you can do is reduce both sides of a discussion to a straw man and mock them to claim a dubious high ground for yourself.
Yeah this pretty much summarizes every discussion I've ever had about Star Wars on the internet.
It's unfortunate, because sometimes I really just want to have a lighthearted conversation about the franchise or whatever the newest series is, but it's impossible to do without someone butting in and calling you an idiot for having different taste.
Everything I just said can also apply anytime a Marvel show/movie comes out.
As long as I'm still allowed to pretend episodes 7, 8 & 9 did not happen. They just stray too far from good world building for me to allow them to exist in my head-cannon.
And preferably, I would like the people who do like them to stop liking them, because Disney is motivated by money haha
Everything that comes in the first third of your life/fandom is normal, how things should be, how they always were.
The second third is new and exciting.
The third third is the downfall of the franchise, not worthy of the name.
The length of these "thirds" can vary but that's the gist of it.
TFA was decent. By the time TRoS came around, Rian had taken the story in a different direction and left JJ to pick up the pieces. If there was a consistent storyline planned from the start, things could have been much better.
TFA was only decent because it had the exact same story structure as ANH.
JJ is someone who is good at selling his ideas, he's just not very good at executing them. This started before he was handed the reigns of Star Wars (or Trek for that matter). Just look at the trajectory of Lost: everyone guessed the ultimate twist in season one so he had to spend 6 seasons pretending that that wasn't the twist he had planned.
You can have a good silly movie about space wizards that isn't taken too seriously but is really well made. People like to forget, but that's what Star Wars started as.