The problem of Susan
The problem of Susan
The problem of Susan
Is "The Problem of Susan" some incel Narnia fanfiction?
Technically, it's a short story by Neil Gaiman. Practically, it's definitely Narnia fanfiction except just legally distinct enough Neil Gaiman didn't get sued for it.
It's basically shorthand for, "it's kinda fucked up that they left Susan Pevensie out of Narnia towards the end just because she liked lipstick and dudes now."
Especially when Peter was more than happy to sell her off for political gain in A Horse and His Boy, until he found out the slavers weren't Christian slavers.
Gotcha! It's been a long time since I've read the Narnia books so I wasn't sure if the "lipstick and boys" was from the books or this short story.
IIRC, it wasn't that "she liked lipstick and dudes" but essentially that her thoughts of Narnia became "oh, that funny game we played as kids".
It's not her gender or orientation, it's that she lost her belief in an effort to become more "adult". The lipstick and boys bit is more to emphasize this.
Narnia is apparently like Neverland in this regard. You stop believing and the magic is gone.
If you enjoy dystopian CS Lewis fanfic, check out the book/TV series "The Magicians".
Bonus: it is very gay
I second this. High quality gay magicians
You had me at gay....which was, admittedly, the end of your comment.
It’s so gay, and the show is gayer. They got to the point where the later seasons each have a musical episode
Theres no problem with susan. C.S. Lewis was using narnia as a very christian metaphor, for... come to think of it, lots of things. Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast. Thats it. Flawed as it may be, thats the bit. Misogynistic as is seems on reflection, i dont think it was intended that way.
Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.
If you dont, you are missing out. Want to have a child without actually having a child? Make guy friends. Everything will make sense after that.
I'm sure glad we don't reduce genders to stereotypes around here because that would be very silly.
Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast.
One of the reasons The Last Battle soured me on the series was the way in which they applied these increasingly unpleasant purity tests to the accumulated cast of characters.
Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.
One of the messages of "The Problem with Susan" was that pain is the source of maturity. You tend to see this in older people because they've experienced more of it.
Grown men who don't act particularly mature are ones who have led relatively charmed existences. But there are plenty who have a sobriety and seriousness about them. You'll inevitably find some kind of trauma behind each of these folks.
Parenthood also often does a lot to mature you. Not all parents by any means, but many of my friends with kids, and myself, found ourselves much harder to anger once we had kids and our empathic abilities increased substantially.
That all makes sense from an evolutionary perspective
Also women can be juvenile as well. I know many who have kept their inner child intact.
Yeah, I was just thinking about all the young people who were in WW1 and WW2.
TRAUMA has a maturing effect, whether one desires it or not.
You had me in the first half but boys will be boys is a dangerous slippery slope, not an excuse
Men can grow up. It's just that modern society seldom cares to teach us to be proper men. So instead we often simply remain undeveloped.
In fairness, he did state that one of the reasons that he never wrote Susan was that he believed that he couldn't do her justice, and invited readers to come up with their own theories/stories.
Cis Lewis isn't welcome in his own fantasy smh my head
Or so you think…
okay, this is definitely how I'm going to think of Narnia from now on.
I could be wrong but is it not just because Susan stopped believing in Narnia? Lucy still shows up for The Last Battle.
EDIT: So do Jill and Polly! This seems a little reductive of Susan's role in the story as an example of lack of faith and how maturing brings you to focus on your surroundings and lose your inner child.
TIL all the Narnia kids except Susan die in a train crash, tf??
It's all Christian metaphors, because Lewis was a bit of a hack at times and couldn't comprehend introducing kids to the idea of eternity by having them die at different times and reaching heaven together anyways they all had to die suddenly at the same time.
With that in mind, there aren't really that many ways to kill seven people suddenly at the same time. If it wasn't a train derailment it'd have been a plane crash or something.
Which is especially silly since he established that time moves differently in Narnia.
I've seen Narnia and don't really understand the meme. what's is this even about
well there are seven books in the series, and i think only books two through five have been made into films? anyway, in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader only the two younger children return. in The Last Battle however, the eldest son is back but the eldest daughter is not.
neil gaiman wrote a short story about why.
The Magician's Nephew is counted as book one these days, but that was not the order in which it was written and a few things won't make as much sense if you read it first, so I'm not sure why they re-ordered it other than they think that chronological order makes more sense overall, something I disagree with. It was originally the penultimate book, before The Last Battle.
So really, one through four were made into films, but BBC TV and Radio both did the whole thing.
They did make Voyage Of The Dawn Treader into a movie but a very long time ago like I want to say the '90s
The whole first part - thats how you realise what canon really was telling you. Sometimes you gotta process it slowly.
Dancing with the fauns.
lol, I love it.
Lewis was an Anglican. Otherwise, yes.
So he failed at Anglic too? Man, that’s not his year.