American hawks are pushing for a big war in the Middle East, again
American hawks are pushing for a big war in the Middle East, again
Biden’s foreign policy plans to stop regional war have fallen apart. For some, that means an old wish is returning: bombing Iran.
Gen-Z you thought we'd forgotten about you, but we managed to sort it out last minute! Enjoy your Middle East Theatre.
But hey, we might get a decent CoD or Battlefield game out of it in a couple of years.
That was BF 3 and it released like 13 years ago. While the trope was "US vs. Russia" the maps and campaign were situated mostly in Iran.
This is funny and I hate it.
Israel is the greatest threat to regional stability.
Everyone being surprised the US doesn't want a stable middle East: Insert surprised pikachu face.
AIPAC involved no doubt.
Blows me away that so many people ignore the unbelievable amount of influence AIPAC has, particularly in campaign season
AIPAC IS FRONT LINE AND CENTER. Leaked documents from start of the war show that a literal AIPAC lobbyist and now ambassador to Israel, Lew, kept arguing early in the war that Israel's subsequent campaign to wipe out Gaza would be "humanitarian."
John Bolton, famous war enjoyer
That should be Bolton's epitaph. It's still wild to think he was one of the sanest voices in the Trump administration, especially when he was one of the craziest in the Bush administration.
I hope he burns in hell right next to Kissinger and Reagan.
I love how the article refers to Bolton as "famous war enjoyer". I hope that catches on.
As user @N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com said, it should be on his tombstone.
Remember when everyone was praising Bolton for going against Trump? This is why you don't simp too hard for people who have already shown who they are but happen to do one good thing.
Next: Liz Cheney.
Got problems at home? Time to Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran...
Got problems overseas? Time to Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran...
Look how it easy it is to solve problems, when your ass isn't on the front lines! /s
If the only tool you have is a hammer...
It shows what a failed kind of people they are, both intellectually and ethically, if the only language they speak is violence.
Going into a war with Iran will set the entire region ablaze. The only thing the Iraq war did, was increasing influence for Iran. The only thing the Afghanistan war did, was a 20 year sabbatical for the Taliban.
The US surely can destroy major Iranian infrastructure like oil production and probably cripple its conventional military capabilities. But then what?
In the process Iran would destroy the oil production of US allied nations.
We would see years if not decades of Iraq style insurgencies.
Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people would become refugees, with the pressure on Europe easily having the potential to break the Union and turn the states into full blown fascist hellholes. Russia would use the distraction and the high oil price income to deliver the final blow to Ukraine.
China could feel emboldened or threatened to push for its military ambitions in the South China sea and Taiwan.
Justified hatred for the US in all of the Middle East would be ensured for another three generations to come.
The resulting global economic crisis would plunge large swaths of Americans and Europeans into poverty (and many more people around the world, that the West doesn't care for unfortunately).Meanwhile i don't see anything positive coming out of it. I don't see how it would stabilize the region in the long run, help economic development or create conditions under which better diplomatic ties grow.
Won't somebody think of the Military Industrial Complex's profits?
Yeah that sounds terrible and all however we forgot the best part. We finally got to bomb Iran!
I'd support every war if the first wave in was these old Republican fucks. Let Bolton storm the beaches.
I can't see the Democrats considering another unpopular war right now. Trump might, but I can only imagine what craziness that would look like. There's a non-zero chance he would ignore Israel and move assets to the Gulf states because they gargled his balls just right, or something. Or maybe he decides to do nukes.
If Netanyahu can get an open war between Israel and Iran before Jan 20th then Biden will absolutely commit ground forces to fighting that. Which is going to mean counter insurgency or even frontline work in Iraq again.
Remember when people thought Trump was crazy for trying to go to war with Iran? Choosing the lesser evil everytime in "democratic" elections has got us to this.
Which candidate that has a chance of winning the election in November do you think Americans should vote for?
Neither. Leave it blank or vote green, even though they definitely won't win. Giving your vote to the Democrats now, from their perspective, means you're complacent enough to ignore an entire genocide. Your government is absolutely gonna use weapons and tactics against its populace that Israel has been doing.
And no, Trump doing more genocide isn't a valid argument.
And still Trump supporters tell me that Trump is the anti-war candidate and the Democrats always start wars. I guess they will blame the war with Iran on Biden, even though Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, antagonized the Palestinians, and did his best to start a war by assassinating generals. Let's not forget Bolton's "I'll celebrate with you in Tehran" speech.
Trump is shit, but Biden’s hands are not even close to clean in this situation. He has done everything he could to allow the situation to escalate and the war is starting in earnest on his watch.
Let’s all be honest here and recognize when our team is doing the wrong thing also.
Is it possible that the Democrats' hands are tied because the American public supports Israel and AIPAC has successfully primaried several progressive politicians?
I think they're in a tough spot politically, the left seems to think that support for Israel will cost the Democrats elections, but there's more evidence that if they do NOT support Israel strongly enough, it will cost them elections.
Maybe Harris and Biden want to start a war so they can benefit from a spike in approval just before the election.
Not in modern America. Americans, for good reason, have a kneejerk negative reaction to the words "war in the middle east". A war with Iran before November would seal Harris's fate.
The rally 'round the flag effect isn't dependent on people agreeing with what the president is doing.
i think it is more likely that the opposite would happen. Anyone with two brain cells understands that there is nothing to gain for the US from it. Maybe for the MIC but certainly not for the average American who will have to deal with high oil prices, recession and possibly his son coming back in a coffin.
When are they not?
A simple translation is that war is good for their business.
It's a real shame John McCain isn't here to lose the war he fought so hard to engineer.
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It's all about the $$$$$$
It has nothing at all to do with the religious tensions over sacred land or anything. This is all new since 2001. There has never been bloodshed for the same bit of land before, it is all America's fault.
Downvote and move on if you agree
Downvote and move on if you agree
Does anyone think that tactic actually works? LOL! It's almost cute.