Just tryna be human out here sucks

Ah, I see you said something controversial, like "Theocracy bad" or "Imperialist capitalist state bad". The tankies don't like those positions for some reason.

Bruh I poked the hexbear once when a dude was arguing over exactly how to classify the Uyiger genocide. Something about how "it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing" they really didn't like when I pointed out just how weird of an argument that is. Fascists usually short circuit pretty fast under redicule
- it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing
  Those are synonyms, FFS. 🤦‍♂️
  Dude needs to crack open a dictionary or a thesaurus.
- I had one argue "the Soviet space program did amazing things without the benefits of imperialism", which is a statement I can only ridicule. Then, to prove how not imperialist the Soviet Union was, he proceeded to explain how much imperialism the United States did. Yes, I'm quite aware of how much imperialism the United States did. That's not the issue here.
- If you simply choose to embrace the same euphemism for genocide as them and also pretend that having a euphemism excuses the genocide, then you could get along.

I've never been able to figure out the basic ideas behind their opinions. It's something like US conservatives, where it's something stupider than you can even guess at, but less predictable.

Understand that some or most of the key posters there are literally pawns of Russian or Chinese intelligence. Troll farms, wumao, what have you. Whether they are literally government employees or contracted through a third party, their purpose is to astroturf positive optics of their employer and negative optics of the US/the West as a whole. A more sinister interpretation, they are trying to destabilize the West by doing things like trashing Biden, now Harris, hoping to secure a chaotic and inwardly destructive Trump presidency.
Anything they say is to service these goals, anything they believe is mutable to these goals, and nothing they argue is in good faith.
- But doesnt china block hexbear?
I've seen some downright insane takes on how what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs is not as bad as it seems.
- It sure is odd how hexbear loves the absolute fuck out of Russia and China.
- Yu're pretty much outlining the problem. Yes, the people on hexbear and 'omg I'm so leftist' on the rest of lemmy strongly support Russia and China, who are not "America’s designated enemy countries" simply because Americans unilaterally claimed it or something, but are geopolitical and military rivals who straight up say they oppose the US. There's nothing politically special about either country that makes them worthy of leftist support other than hatred of America, yes. It's a pretty pathetic concept to base your political views on since it's not even remotely consistent. These bold intellectual luminaries should move to Russia if they think it's so great (that is, assuming they don't already live there). Most likely they live cushy lives in Western Europe while whining about how great the CCCP is.

I've been there, but I mostly just do it anyway. Fuck it, I said what I said. Half the time you don't even get anything all that cutting, it's just png salad. Every now and then, you'll get a coherent response that isn't a death threat, and those end up being good reads more often than not.

Yeah I don't think much of it either.. They just take offense to something doesn't even apply to them lol

I got banned from hexbear and lemmygrad like a year ago without ever even posting in either community, just for arguing with some of their users under a post on lemmy.ml

The only surprise there is that you weren't banned from lemmy.ml also.
- Oh I have been banned from lemmy.ml like 6 times but only temporarily. Lemmygrad and hexbear just went for a permaban for just arguing with their users on a separate instance.

.ml is the same way. People were getting deleted left and right for posting about Maduro fixing the election in Venezuela. Not realizing it's freaking .ml. Even when told, "the mods are just enforcing the instance rules" they didn't get it.

Very happy to be on an instance that blocks them entirely. The couple of weeks we were federated was a couple of weeks too long honestly.

I forgot to block the instructions, left an unpopular opinion on a post. I wish I blocked it like I thought I didn't.
Everyone just goes straight to being an asshole there, no middle ground.

- There's a certain special irony in folks on the internet telling one another "Shut up! You're not allowed to criticize free speech!" in a thread defending free speech. It only gets worse when you have people throwing shit fits over being federated, because it means you might get banned from another sub.
  This all seems to boil down to "I don't like other communities that hurt my feelings". A thousand little Elon Musks, all screaming and crying because they can't shut everyone else up and turn the local instance into a room full of yes-men.

We should just defederate all the ml domains, it would greatly improve the Lemmy experience.

Defederate them for having a different political worldview? Defederation is supposed to be for extreme circumstances. There's not a problem that .ml communities cause of people breaking the rules here. I'm not saying there aren't toxic people from lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml, there definitely are, but there's nothing to justify defederation.
If instances just start defederating other instances for hosting a lot of communists then the platform's gonna fall apart lol.
You can block instances if you don't like them. You don't have to decide what the best experience for all us other lemm.ee users is.
- It's not about an ideology. It's that they make it their identity. If someone founded a server and community for lemmy.fascists I wouldn't blame a lot of people for not wanting to Federate with it as well.
  While they like to talk to talk. They'll do anything but walk the walk. Ml governments have been some of the most brutal and repressive in existence. And this is not a defense of anyone else. just a critique of them. There's plenty of criticism to go around. However Leninist are particularly hypocritical, bad faith, and specifically not worth engaging with when it bleeds over into every other discussion.

Can relate, the people from that instance are bonafide shitrilers, born a century too late to join Hitler's youth so they join hexbear instead.

You just comment something like "humans good" and the pro-russia tankies start arguing with the anti-russia tankies under your comment...

It's hilarious honestly

So before I knew shit about the fediverse I was trying to find and instance and I thought "oh neat I'm a leftist," and created an account on hexbear. I was not prepared at all for that. I didn't know what a tankie was and I was just legit confused for a minute.

I'm new here, I don't even know what the fediverse is. What does this mean?

As Goat has said, this platform (Lemmy) is comprised of instances, some, like Lemmy.world, are general instances, and some have a specific theme or type of content they cater to. There's one for furry porn, one for regular porn, for example, and one for utterly insufferable Internet communists who make a point of behaving badly in other communities.
- the thing about hexbear isn't just that they're far left, but that they are violently auth-left, and live in a huge echo-chamber, as most instances defederated from them. plenty of far left people are actually very grounded and human compared to them, see slrpnk.net and the an-soc instances. while they have strong opinions, they won't immediately wish death upon you if your views clash
- are there any instances on here that aren’t left?
Welcome my guy

Communists are somewhat like collapsniks. I don’t want to bully or torment them, life kicked their butt already. But tankies, damn they deserve some bullying from time to time for all the stupid shit they say.

I'm fine and usually agree with people who are economically left. I find I usually disagree with people who love state capitalism so much they will excuse whatever human rights abuses occur under it.
- Looking at the online places some people lost their faith in liberal democracy. At least in the USA looking at the voting and political system there it really isn’t the most… healthy. So I very much understand the desperation.
  In other places it is going strong and no one sane would want to drop it. It merely needs some tweaks and fixes that are a subject of constant battles in the parliament.
  This is the problem of us centric internet. Whatever I say it is always taken in the context of America. I got to know so much about that single country out of 195 whether I wanted it or not

I'm somewhat convinced that all the Tankie servers have some unspoken agreement to ban the same dissenters.

I doubt it's even unspoken.

Never post you bear ass in IncantationUrsine, always make sure you are in MagicBear community where friendly sugar bears updoot and compliment you.

The irony is, yeah, the tankies on hexbear and ml are bad. But the rest of lemmy is bad as well. Everyone is completely indoctrinated these days. It's just complete polarization and extremism. Everyone just reads their corner of the news and needs to believe one side or another.

Not everyone. I'm really actually clueless. The state of the country I live in is so bad that I have just given up.
- Do like me, don't watch your country's news and laugh at the US instead. Yeah I'm coping however I can
You can keep the enlightened centrism.
- And welcome to another game of fascist, limbrol, centroid, tankie!
Keep in mind, the more extreme someone's views, and the more strongly they hold them, the more likely they are to share them and argue the case.
You just don't hear from people with moderate views all that much, I think.