US sues Adobe for ‘deceiving’ subscriptions that are too hard to cancel | The Justice Department alleges that Adobe hid early cancellation fees and trapped consumers in pricey subscriptions
US sues Adobe for ‘deceiving’ subscriptions that are too hard to cancel | The Justice Department alleges that Adobe hid early cancellation fees and trapped consumers in pricey subscriptions
The DOJ accuses Adobe of trapping users in subscriptions.
these cocksuckers were charging my 70-yr-old computer-illetrate mom nearly $80 a month because "she wanted to be able to open pdf on her laptop", and then once I found out and tried to cancel this pro subscription which she had, they forced us to pay a $200 cancelation fee which amounts to 50% of the remaining months until the end of the year. Adobe came pre installed and all she did was click on yes, yes, yes after the triall period finished. It's a predetory behavior from a scummy company. I will never forgive them for this.
How did it get her credit card info if she only clicked "yes" boxes? Or was it linked to some other payment system that was set up on her system somehow (MS or Apple App Store or something)?
That is peak shittiness. Thank goodness your Mum has you to advocate, and I shudder to think of how many others don't and were shafted or continue to be shafted.
Their competition for PDF Reader; Foxit, jacked their prices up considerably this last year too. It used to be an affordable alternative. They too got greedy (I assume since Adobe was getting away with it!) and have lost a considerable amount of customers in both the consumer end-users and the business side.
PDF becomes increasingly more used and 'standard' with the fracturing of ability to edit them or do 'advanced' tasks like merging multiple PDFs.
There are some alternatives which are free but also either Freemium or just plain questionable in their usage. I don't want to trust some random company and I don't want to be nickel and dimed for basic features like merge.
I spent a long time testing and trying tools. Sadly nothing as comprehensive as what Acrobat offers, but not an option at their pricing. Same with Foxit. I use PDFsam for some basic merge stuff. An interesting project is also Stirling PDF. but pdfsam is like Freemium and Stirling I'm pretty requires docker and it's also not in all languages.
It’s so refreshing to actually have my tax dollars starting to fund consumer protection again.
If Trump gets in office again, it’s back to backsliding. Because apparently consumer protection is “big government” or some such shit.
It’s probably just your tax pennies unfortunately, your tax dollars are still going to the army and such.
I’ll take it over what the previous guy did.
Somewhere on my PC I have a several page long rant about how many government websites in Canada require you to pay for an Adobe subscription in order to sign an "official" PDF.
Why the hell isn't there a better option for filling out legally required, government mandated forms than giving a private corporation money? This bothers me so fucking much.
Feeling daring? If you have to buy the software anyway, invoice the government department the price of the software.
My mom worked in accounting for the local government. You'd be surprised how many invoices are getting paid without double checking
You can't fill it out with Firefox? I think pdf.js (which Firefox uses) supports PDF forms.
What's even more crazy, is Adobe has a system called something like "docusign", where you can just fill the document in in-browser.
I'm fortunate that I haven't yet hit a form I couldn't just edit in GIMP!
I’m curious about this. If demonstrable, it seems many Canadians could sue.
What is the typical user workflow? For example:
- An embedded Adobe applet (e.g. fill, sign, and submit on the government website)
- Token-based API (e.g. redirect or spawn child window/tab, user fills and signs on adobe site, user returned to government site)
- Something else (e.g. upload button with server-side validation for digital signing)
Edit: looked into this a bit. Did you receive an error message like the following?
This document does not allow you to save any changes you have made to it unless you are using Adobe Acrobat Standard DC or Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
(Regardless it’s totally shitty that government websites recommend a specific company’s software, especially Adobe. I’m just trying to figure out if they actually force citizens to pay a private company.)
Hell yeah.
Fuck adobe.
I submitted a complaint about this exact thing to one of the government sites so im going to pretend I had a part in this
Good, good.
Cancelation fees (and steep ones at that) on digital goods/"services" ... shows how far things sunk towards the lower hells.
It should seriously be illegal. I can't believe companies are able to get away with this. If you don't have the money to cancel, you're just locked in
I saw this coming, with no easy way to cancel the monthly subscription and decided to pay with a prepaid credit card instead...glad I did, it saved me from getting robbed.
There used to be a "loophole", where if you changed to a different plan, it restarted the 7 day period during which you could cancel with no fee. Not sure if they ever changed that though.
Thats how I got out of it without having to pay the hundreds of dollars in cancelation fees. I was fuming at the time too, and that was maybe close to 5 years ago now.
Funnily enough, I just had to sign up for the trial for reasons and made sure to cancel immediately after I was done. I was worried I'd just forget and pay for a month or something.
Apparently it still works. Came across a Short talking about it.
Yeah, each time I "subscribe" for sth I use a prepaid card. Once the transaction is made, it destroys itself.
I'm calling it now:
In other news Adobe forced to pay 0.001% if what they earn every day from subscriptions and still find loopholes allowing them to continue business as usual, with the US government sticking their thumbs up their ass because they can't make an example of Adobe too soon or the bribes.... I mean donations from lobbyists representing large companies will dry up.
Good. FUCK Adobe. I genuinely hope the entire company fails.
I've been on the verge of cancelling my subscription for multiple times now. But everytime I try an alternative it's missing something (for instance capture one mobile does not do masks/layers...), and so I keep shipping shitloads of money to a company which has dickass privacy rules and extorts you out of money.
I’m a big fan of Affinity Photo and Illustrator. I switched when Adobe went to the subscription model. It’s very similar, and they have full tutorials on Vimeo for anything that works differently. It’s definitely worth the $20.
I switched to the Affinity suite today after almost 20 years of using Adobe products. After the trial I realized that I actually enjoyed the layout of the tools and the familiarity between photoshop and illustrator. Their InDesign alternative (Publisher 2) is pretty nice too. It really helps that they’re giving 50% off right now. (Smart marketing btw)
Only thing I’m struggling with finding a replacement for is after effects. I already made the switch to DaVinci for video so motion graphics is the only hole left to fill and then I’m free from Adobe.
It doesn't help Adobe has software patents for their products, so anyone who makes a similar program has to either live in a country that doesn't recognize the "right" to claim you invented math, or be risk being sued.
That's why I'm a pirate matey
Depending on what you're doing, Krita is worth a look. I gave it a go for cropping and lightly editing some photos recently, and then tried their version of the clone stamp tool. It's hidden under the brushes presets, but worked better than the Photoshop tool 👍
Just know that Canva bought Affinity.
Isn‘t there the possibility to use multiple Apps to mimic what Adobe does?
Time to pay for cracks
I decided to try out the new version about a year ago. I had a monthly charge of about $26 I think it was. After about 3-4 months and not really using it, I cancelled a few days before it would renew for another month. $50 early cancellation fee? Wtf do you need to cancel a few mins before or it's early cancellation? Adobe fucking sucks ass.
That’s the trick, it’s always early cancellation, there is no allowed time to stop sending them money.
Nestle and Adobe, on my special list.
HP
Nah, they are kids in sandbox compared to Apple
I remember when Adobe was a cool company that built art tools. Now it seems like the art tools are an afterthought, tacked onto a money-siphoning scheme.
Did they ever? They bought PageMaker in 1994 and Photoshop in 1995. They bought Macromedia in 2006, GoLive, Live motion, Typekit, Behance... Is there anything they've ever bought they haven't slowly ruined with financialisation or just outright shuttering what would have been competition?
Yeeeeeeee get fucked by the big dick of the government
Goverment's King Dick.
Adobe's name is mud these days.
This is beside the point, but it might help some people in the short term: I was able to switch my subscription plan without penalty and then cancel immediately without the cancellation fee. Maybe that still works.
Any corporation that does should just go bankrupt. Seriously, will you live fine without them? Of course. Will society continue to exist? Of course. Fuck these fucking scums.
let's fucking goo
Great, now do Amazon
This gives warm and fuzzy feelings.
This is why you could and should never be lazy to search how to cancel subscription.
Ha good fucking luck charging an early cancellation fee to the VIRTUAL CARD I GENERATED AND DESTROYED THE MOMENT I DECIDED TO STOP PUTTING UP WITH YOUR SHITTY "SERVICE"! FUCK you, Adobe. You get NOTHING from me.
Did EU bite USA?
Do SiriusXM next.