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Pistol Whipped Philosophy

Can you imagine how bloodthirsty the pigs would be if we didn't have all these guns keeping them pacified?

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The people who think having guns keep the government in check are the exact same people jacking off to the thin blue line.
- I'm a liberal gun nut who loathes the police and believes the government is held in check by our guns.
  
  If you think the American government is fascist now, how do you think they would act if they could storm any home and be certain to only find defenseless people? Think police are beating our asses, with impunity, in the streets as is? Imagine what they would do if they had zero fear of the populace.
  
  I am also a leftist gun nut, and Breonna Taylor proved they can already storm your home, and since they assume every citizen is armed they storm accordingly with common entry tactics. Charge the door, throw ordnance (flash bangs in her case), scream conflicting commands and then shoot anything that moves.
  
  I'm still a big proponent of an armed citizenry, the first gun control laws came about in California from a very frightened Reagan after the Black Panthers exercised their 2nd amendment rights.
  
  Guns however will never de-escalate a situation trust me. They can end a situation due to an over abundance of force.
  
  This is exactly why the Black Panthers were formed. And they worked. So well that the government took them down.
  
  act if they could storm any home and be certain to only find defenseless people?
  
  They already can.
  
  Oh get fucked already. America is closer to fascism than any comparable country. Your guns have done nothing except given cops the excuse they need to execute people in the street and you're never going to shoot a cop.
  
  Have you considered that that "fear of the populace" is an aggravating factor in police use of deadly force?
  
  "They've got a gun" is license to kill Americans.
  
  If the guns can protect people from the State, why don't they?
  
  Don't get me wrong. I am not anti gun either. I have owned a few in my life, only reason I don't right now is because I had to sell them due to financial reasons.
  
  But, yes. The people who are crazy gun types are also the people who jack off to the thought of the police having military hardware because they think the police are only going to use them on black people. Simple as that.
  
  The American government spends trillions on the military, if you think your guns are going to stop fascists you're probably mistaken.
  
  The government is not "held in check" at all.
  
  If you think the American government is fascist now, how do you think they would act if they could storm any home and be certain to only find defenseless people?
  
  Exactly the same, my friend. But if that helps you feel important go ahead polishing your big guns, it's not like the US has a gun control issue anyway amiright?
  
  As another lefty gun nut, the thing I think folks forget about resisting the gov with arms, is there are worse fates than dying in a gun fight.
  
  Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, Charles Kinsey
  
  It's 2024. They can cut off your power and internet, freeze your bank accounts, and send in drones.
  
  That's without them bringing in 'civilian contractors.'
  
  Pretty much every time I get into this with a proponent of armed resistance they fall back on the line 'American soldiers won't kill American citizens."
  
  They already do though. They just do it with an insane amount of overwhelming firepower like flash bangs. Guns can't keep them in check if the state both has a monopoly of violence and the willingness to spend any amount of money to keep it.
  
  The police aren't afraid of the populace, and any fear they may have or that may be inspired by increased gun ownership isn't going to manifest itself in de-escalation and them using a lighter hand, they're cops they know in the game of escalation they have the full force of the state behind them and will win.
  
  Unless you have some other organization that is powerful and organized enough to contend with the state cops aren't going to back down, and at that point we're talking about a well regulated militia and not individual ownership.
In some European countries the police isn't even armed since noone has guns
- And there have been a tonne of revolutions in Europe over the past fifty years.
  
  It's almost as if guns and revolutions are unrelated.
  
  Could you imagine if America had a revolution? I might move back.
Yeah well it did actually work out pretty well for the BLM protestors who armed themselves. The police were scared and left them alone, see this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN24604N/
- Why does this prove it worked? Because they weren't beaten or assaulted? Most protests , even BLM ones, don't involve police brutality.
  
  Your logic is ruining a good story stop it
And here we go... liberals doing what they have always done - gaslighting everyone that's actually willing to stand up to fascism.

OP's nic is perfectly apt.
It’s gone from keeping the government in check to keeping gays, trans, women, people with darker skin, liberals, etc in check. The guns are there to enforce their wannabe theofascist rule, not defend democracy.

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