OHHH WAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LAND OF TRAITORS,

Texas secessionists have not considered the ramifications of becoming a hostile force sitting on top of oil that the US regards as its own.

If there's two things you don't get between, it's a mama and her cub, and the US and oil.
- There’s three things you don’t mess with.
  US and oil.
  US and their boats.
  And the US and an excuse to pump more money into the military industrial complex that masquerades as our Economy.
  You should also avoid bears in general.
Y'all qaeda about to find out
The amount of Texans who support seceding are an extreme minority.
Most of us think they're just as dumb as you do.

Just seeing Alberta Canadian born Ted Cruz gone from the USA is more than enough for most of us

His real name is Rafael Cruz and I think it's time we start using it.
- Not only is this just about the only deadnaming I support, I think we should all use the Spanish rolled “R.”
  Also it’s the only time I’d be comfortable saying “No, where are you really from?”
- It's really funny to me that he chose "Ted". When's the last time you met a Ted who didn't suck?
Hey.. he's only HALF Albertan, so only half of our dumbest region. Whoever his other parent was, that person bears the rest of the responsibility for this deeply concerning narcissist.
- Sure, it’s just hilarious that “Lyin’ Ted” tries to pretend he is a Texan, when he was clearly born in Canada 🇨🇦
He's more American than Canadian. You broke it you bought it.

Fun fact, there are 3 major power grids in the lower 48 united states': the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas.

Another fun fact: The failure of one of those grids resulted in over 200 people freezing to death. Guess which one!
- Yeah that's the irony, Texas wouldn't even need to secede to fuck up its power grid.

Please no. Some of us live here and like the US as it is. I would appreciate a change of state government, though.

There's not an ice cube's chance in hell that Texas successfully secedes. Do you remember what happened the last time some States tried to secede? The Union is about eleventy billion times more powerful than it was in 1865.
- Believe me, I’m aware. Not gonna stop the idiots from trying.
You know all those migrants entering your state, fleeing the shit happening back home? Follow their example, pack up and move somewhere else. Texas being shit is nothing new and that won't change.
- Man, do you think I’d still be here if I had any choice? I’m broke as hell, and the situation in this state isn’t making it any better.
- We can't win it from the idiots if we all pack up and leave. I'm in this battleground state and I'm standing my ground. When Trump gets the nomination I'm going to do my best to remind the Republicans that I know that Trump has said he wants to become a dictator and uses the same blood purity bullshit racist rhetoric in speeches just like Hitler. I'm going to make them face the uncomfortable truth that a vote for Trump today is akin to a vote for Hitler in 1930s Germany.
  I mean the parallels are uncanny at this point. The only thing missing is Trump actually getting jail time for attempting to overthrow democracy. At least Germany had the balls to put Hitler away before his rise to power.
  The craziest part of the Republican party now is that they actually like Russia. What happened to them? Ruskie commies were the supposed mortal enemy of them until the fall of the USSR. now they want to help them? We gave the afghans a ridiculous amount of weapons and training to fight Russia and they used that later in terror attacks against us, but now we have the perfect opportunity to put the military industrial complex to use without putting Americans in the line of fire with a people that are highly unlikely to do the same as al queda. Oh but suddenly now its just too expensive to fund? Really this point needs to be driven home to all the military humping douches that would gladly suck the dick of anyone that has served in the military. Really what happened? We're really living in a time where the party that supports the military industrial complex more is the Democrats?
  Honestly we need a new government. We have the technology to implement direct democracy. Our constitution and government are horribly outdated and the checks in the system are being pushed to the limit in all branches of federal government. Our state is failing and if we continue the ultra rich .01% billionaire class will soon rule our nation openly with impunity. We desperately need a new progressive movement.
- "But why don't the slaves just move?"
  This is the sickest, most inhuman mindset. You don't care about immigrants. You don't care about the people in Texas. And you sure as hell don't care about what is happening to immigrants in Texas.

What if Texas just does a Texit (akin to Brexit)? Or is that not possible?

The GOP would never be able to win the electoral college without Texas. So that's why it will never happen.
But maybe we can trick Abbot, he might be stupid enough to fall for it?
I don't know if it's legally possible, but even if it was, it would never actually work. Texas is propped up with federal funding, our electric grid is slowly failing, and most people who wanted to stay a citizen of the United States would leave if they were able, which would completely fuck the job market, and leave mostly people who want to be Texans rather than Americans, and those people can't run shit (hence the economicand infrastructure problems we already have). Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, idk. That's my opinion as somebody who lives in Texas against their will.
- Nope, it's not possible. The only way it wouldn't be treason is if all states agree, or if they start a revolution and are successful; every other attempt would simply be treason. Hence, one nation indivisible. I'm sure they know that; they just want to push as far as they can to make the political situation even more absurd in America. They want to widen the gap between the people. I don't know who exactly profits from this situation, but it's not the American people.
  Here's a video that explains it quite well: [Legal Egal] (https://youtu.be/1dhvry6E0jA?si=H62qIoiHzaLdJHQF)
The south tried to secede and we fought a war about it, so no, pretty sure it's not possible.
Not sure if US law has a provision for this. Brexit was relatively orderly because the EU made sure there's a process for it.
- Absolutely positive the US does NOT have a provision for this. We fought a little war about it once.
I think the only two ways this can happen are is the federal government agrees to the succession or succession by force (aka civil war).
- This is correct. Unless of course the Supreme Court overturns the decisions by previous Supreme Courts.
  Has anyone checked on Harlan Crow's opinion on this?

Ok sorry if this is a stupid question, but why not let them?

It seems like the biggest concern is a humanitarian one - that sane people who remain in Texas will be worse off - but it significantly improves that same problem for everyone else in the union. And a war would possibly be even worse for sane Texans. It would be cheaper to subsidize relocation costs.

I just don't get why we'd fight to keep them, or pretty much any state these days. They don't have slavery, and there's nothing huge that we were right about to change.

There would be significant economic disruption for all parties. People seem to think that's no big deal, but it is.
Are you willing to lose your job because someone gets a hard-on when they see a picture of the Alamo? People that are brave on the internet will say that they're fine with that, but in real life they don't actually want that.
- Already lost my job by being pushed out by racist hicks. At Intel no less.
- Legal Eagle did a video on this and brought up some interesting points I dont see very often.
  What happens to all the Federally-Owed land and military bases in Texas?
  What happens to Shared assets like the gold on Fort Knox?
  What happens with the National Debt?
- My job security would improve tremendously if we fought a war to keep them, so I'm trying to keep that from biasing me.
Because you lose some major shipping ports and oil refineries, and you'd have to share a border with a hostile neighbor.
Texas contributes more to the US economy than you'd think.
The precedent it might set.
- Also they breezed over the humanitarian reason, but well over 50% of Texas would never dream of seceding and would be worse off for it, it's not like worrying about there being a few good eggs in the bunch.
Ok sorry if this is a stupid question, but why not let them?
Because they would inevitably start a war again.
- I mean, they're already our enemies. Might as well fight 'em.
Maintaining the union is important. Without solidifying that every state is in it together, the federal government loses it's power, then states start to push the limits, not paying taxes here, disobeying federal law there.
If we wanted to let states secede, we would have formed a Confederacy, or not a country at all. As it stands now, the US government will always fight for a United States, as to not do so puts everything in jeopardy. Maybe you don't think that's the best action overall, but until the US government is reformed under a heavily modified constitution that probably won't happen.
- Worth noting the US government needs indevidual US citize s to fight for that United States.
  The % of citizens who feel the constitution is likely due for some change. While not near the 66% in 50 states needed to change it, is likely enough to seriously effect the resources forcing other to follow it.
  Even congress and the senate are far from 100% in agreement. Or ever likely to be on such things. The further from the head of the snake you go. The more likely the US military is to question orders to attack domestic targets.
  A d lets face it. Any attempt by the military to force orders in a situation like that, where the enemy is considered to be a part of your own team by a significant % of the people pulling tigers and dropping the actual bombs. Will harm rather then rebuild that unity.
The only other good reason to fight to keep them, is to prevent their government from going fully insane and doing horrible things. But that's the sort of thing that would need intervention if and when it happens.
They partner with an enemy of the US who now gets a presence in mainland North America at the US's doorstep making infiltration to the US, etc. even easier.
- Russia has entered the chat
It seems that you're forgetting about Roe v. Wade.
- I'm not. That's one of the humanitarian issues the might worsen for the rest of the union if they stay.

Let us dream, dammit!
I don't know what his limit break is to transform into Dark Brandon and start going full Homelander, but I hope it's close.

Hey now - Texas has the state guard too - do you think the entire weight of the Pentagon, it's carrier strike groups, and multiple branches of well-funded modern military is any match for ~1,600 good ol' boys?

Also worth noting of that -1600. A fair % have family friends and even lovers not living in texas. In 2024 with easy transport etc and cheap communication. It really is impossible for any state to relly on its own current resources. Things would shuffle hugely in the lead up and post the first attacks. Likely the 1600 would grow from good old boys joining. But experience and command structure would be a mess for a while.
Of course US forces would see the same but less so. Some would have friends and relatives in texas. Many would bulk at the domestic part of foreign and domestic.
Professionals.s following orders can only go so far as far as preventing personal politics.
Even in the civil war many refused allegence to the side they were expected to fight for. With Internet and more communication of the 2000s. Allegiances will be less not more founded.

if texas did secede the federal US government would be blue for decades LMFAO. granted, texas is getting bluer by the day but still.

Texarse.

They've never been the brightest state. They're just a more-westerly Florida.

The missiles at night

Are big and bright

Launched at the heart of Texas

Anyway good luck being a large economy with no trade partners and ports blockaded.

In total war Warhammer, when playing as Karl Franz, what was the phrase that the advisor said as soon as the game began, when you had to deal with the secessionists at the south? Open dissent will not be tolerated or something? I thought of that when reading this post for some reason xD lol lmao

Are there any Warhammer novels that exist and do you recommend any?
- Hell if I know, actually :( I just play the total war games. I think there are some books and other games from the fantasy franchise, if I recall my time taking a look at the lore using YouTube videos.
- Dan Abnett’s Eisenhorn omnibus is often recommended. It’s all I’ve read thus far, good books.

Fucks sake I need to move.

Joe Rogan packs his stuff again...

I’m highly doubtful that a second Civil War would be like the first. I’m more of the opinion that we’d see something along the lines of the Troubles in Ireland.
Maintaining a fighting force requires a ton of money and the loss of international markets in the Civil War hurt the Confederacy greatly. Inflation in the Confederacy shot through the roof. Paired with the Union’s successful blockade, the Union securing most rivers, and the Union pretty much destroying every bit of infrastructure in the Confederate States, the Confederacy had massive economic woes that plagued morale.
I’m really doubtful that any State wanting to secede wants to lose access to the US dollar as it would wreck their economy. I just don’t see it being the way the Civil War was fought as it would almost guarantee a repeat.
Wars are fought along a lot more lines than just the ones where bullets matter.
Manufacturing is usually urban, and last I checked that's where most blue is. Farming and agriculture is red, sure.
Military is split, infantry probably skews red but the AF seems mixed and the Navy is pretty liberal in my experience.
Ok putting aside the obvious that 99% of US Military service members honor their oath to the Constitution and respect the chain of command serving the sitting President regardless of politics. Not least of which the DOD has been purging insurrectionist sympathisers the past few years.
So the brass tax of the US Military, our most valuable assets by a LOT are the US Navy. 2nd would be the USAF. Primary of which is arguably our Submarine force, followed by our sea warfare, then our air forces, and the rest of our nuclear arsenal.
Our largest sub base is in CT (blue).
The entirety of our carrier fleets are based in blue states - California, Hawaii, Virginia (blueish).
A significant portion of our nuclear stockpile is in Colorado (blue).
Anyway it all doesn't matter because any insignificant numbers who would defect would be nowhere near the command of these critical assets. The only real annoyance of Texas seceding would be having to relocate NASA HQ lmao.