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Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges

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Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges::Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Wednesday that the Cybertruck's unique design means the company faces immense challenges in scaling production.

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"We"
- When things go right, it's "I". When things go wrong, it's "We". These are Musk's situationally preferred pronouns.
  
  No different than Trump
  
  Pretty standard for a rich boi
- Exactly. Who has the one promoting it? It was you, Elon.
- Credit for innovation: capitalism. Credit for failures: socialism.
- Must be the royal we.
- Musk and the sycophants he surrounds himself with
Wasn’t he the one who made a bunch of ridiculous demands? This car seems like it was designed by Homer Simpson.
- In my head it was Elon who sketched the truck and told everyone "make that exactly how I drew it"
- No way this thing is soft and yielding like a nerf ball
  
  At least it'll be more powerful than a gorilla.
- Yah there's even an episode where Homer designed a car. Didn't go well.
That's weird, I could have sworn he said that they nearly had all the issues sorted out and that it was coming next month.. Trying to remember when he said that.. 2021?
- Bruh that delay was because of the PLANDEMIC!!111!!
  /s
- Every time the stock dipped, often after intentionally driving the stock down before pumping it back up.
"When you've got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you're trying to solve at scale," he added.
does it have new technology? i thought it was just like, shockingly ugly?
- It's got a lot of new things to them
  800v power train
  Newer 4680 cells
  ~85% custom chip controllers (up from 60s on Y)
  48v power electronics instead of 12v, which is fairly new to everyone and the supply chain isn't as robust as the 12v one, but long term it's good for industry. (Edit I've heard talk of how they connect everything is going to be very different too, but nothing I've seen confirmed)
  Folding the stainless steel at scale
  9000T press, biggest one made
  The wheels that can turn on front and back
  New assembly method (excluding stainless steel part)
  I'm sure there's more they didn't tell us.
  It went from being a weird vehicle (love or hate it) to a new technology platform.
  
  4 wheel steering isn't really new. (but your point is still taken)
  
  For a company with already terrible QC that’s a lot more things to go wrong for buyers unfortunately
  
  How is 48v better than 24v, for example? I don't really know much about car electronics
- It took a lot of work to make windows that shatter so easily.
  
  First you have to mass produce a lot of cannon balls, hire people and train them to throw the cannon ball perfectly so the broken window looks perfect.
Gee... telling the engineers to getting precision to below 10 microns would cause production challenges.
- I've been doing PCB-board design recently. Here's the manufactuering specs: https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/dkred
  So that's 0.13mm tolerances to my printed-circuit board. Or 130 microns.
  Current leading theory is that Elon Musk is such an ignorant dumbass that he doesn't know the difference between mils and microns, despite running a car company / manufacturing firm. Give that a thought. Even then, 10-mils tolerance is near this PCB design, an object that's only a few inches in size. Cars are much larger and normally should be built to much wider tolerances than a fucking PCB board.
  
  If he said <10 mils, I'd might have bought the explanation that Elon actually meant millimetres. Micron is a very specific metric-based unit which to Elon might have been trying to use like a buzzword.
  The moral of the story is don't say stupid engineering stuff if you don't want engineers to laugh at you.
  
  It's almost like Elon Musk is a complete fucking moron and not an Engineer. The wanker has never actually designed a thing in his life. He just tells other people to design something, or buys an existing company, then struts around like he thinks he's the smartest thing around.
  
  I recently listened to a podcast about musk which was more on the anti side. The podcast had some parts about spacex and musks own work ethics, which told more of a story that he actually has some insights and knowledge and was a insane workoholic. Which shifted my perception of him. He isn't dumb, he is a really good conman.
- Lmao “if Lego and soda cans can do this, so can we.” At least he found materials similar to his existing vehicle build quality
  
  Hey, don't disrespect Lego like that
- "At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth."
- What an idiot
- Flashbacks to Steve Jobs and the NeXT Cube.
- Cool. Build 10 pieces and fit them together with sub 10 micron precision.
  
  Bullshit.
  The thermal coefficient of expansion of say... Aluminum is 23.
  That means that when a 1 meter piece of Aluminum rises from 20C to 21C, just one degree Celsius, it grows by 23 microns.
  Your 3D printer is not a temperature controlled precision instrument. Your tolerances are no where close to 10 microns let alone 1 micron.
  There are micron-level precise instruments in the engineering world. They all come with temperature characteristics because thermal expansion is a bitch. 3D printers that literally heat up hundred degrees and cools down regularly literally can't be this precise, the heat alone wrecks your precision.
  
  The problem isn't that it can't be done. The problem is that it is unnecessary and very expensive.
  
  Can you share a link? I'd love to buy me some of these.
You'd think the guy claiming to "know more about manufacturing than anyone else on Earth" would have anticipated such issues at the start of the design process.
Good. Jump in.
*invents stupid and logicitally impossible truck.
*Production challenges
Weird, Ford and Rivian both seem to be able to make an EV pickup truck.
- And GM, the epitome of "slow and bloated legacy dinosaur", who in the time since Tesla announced the cYbErTrUcK, managed to design AND RELEASE a truck before Tesla even had prototypes. At this rate, I think they'll technically have 3 different trucks out before a single cYbErTrUcK is sold.
  
  The automotive giants always could have outpaced Tesla, they just didn’t want to because until it was viable with enough consumer interest (and competition), it was cheaper to only produce fossil fuel vehicles (and lobby against electric vehicles at every turn)
Cybertruck window demo
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  Cybertruck window demo
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- It didn't go through, guise ah ah ah ah
  What a massive dunce
- Of all the cringiest things to ever happen on the internet this is one video I just can’t ever rewatch.
  Just the most cringe in one video.
- I remember watching this live, happy that my wife chose not to join me once they rolled it out, and ESPECIALLY after the window demo. Ugh. Cringiest night of my life.
The real story is that a million people have reserved this thing.
- Given that I had dumbass coworkers at work who gleefully dropped $500 to "reserve" one of each trim, despite not even being able to even afford the cheapest trim (which will never even come close to existing with the listed price+specs), I'm not betting that it's probably 1/4 of that, and about 1/4 of those will ever actually translate to purchases.
When I was a kid, I asked my dad why the cars on the road didn't look like any of the prototype cars I saw in autoshows or car books.
Now Elon has given me the answer. Those cars are hard to make at scale. One is doable, but thousands is impossible.
- They? Elon Musk owns Tesla. He gets to decide what they spend the money on.
Who could have known that traditional manufacturers who have been building cars for decades have reasons to do it the way they did?
Surely not the man who reinvented the subway (but shitty) reinvented content moderation (but shitty) and reinvented the car (but shitty).
How come "normal" Teslas with traditional coachwork are selling, well not great, but good and every time Musk thinks he's the genius who'll singlehandedly completely reinvent a very competitive product he just creates a worse version?
I actually thought this was an elaborate joke. The "Cybertruck" looks like a piece of shit, and apparently is a piece of shit.
I cannot believe it, this coming from the man who knows more about production and manufacturing than anyone alive! For sure the Genius of Musk will find a solution to overcome this.
Like when he demanded 10um tolerance for the assembly of the cybershmuck nobody understood and they said it's impossible. But he realised, he realised early on that the mail will leak and idiots will take it as an argument of quality and performance and be motivated to throw money at him. Conmen need money inflow to keep the scheme going.
/s or not ...
There is exactly one reason I cancelled my tesla you stupid Muskrat.
Wait, that's a real thing? I thought it was just a marketing stunt!
- Tesla semi is a failure videos existed 2 years ago. Funny it took elon this long to admit it.
  
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  Tesla semi is a failure
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Need a shovel?
Coming from the manbaby who based the design of the space x rocket on the movie the dictator
Haha that's so--
Actually, never mind. I don't care that much.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Elon Musk said that Tesla "dug its own grave" with the Cybertruck, as he warned that it would take years for the company to ramp up production of the electric pickup.
And special products that come along once in a long while are just incredibly difficult to bring to market to reach volume, to be prosperous," he added.
"When you've got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you're trying to solve at scale," he added.
First announced in 2019, the futuristic pickup truck was expected to ship in 2021, but has experienced several delays as Tesla grappled with the vehicle's unique design and the complexity of producing it at scale.
According to CNBC, Elon Musk sent an email to Tesla employees in August saying that the Cybertruck should be as precisely designed as a Lego brick, with measurements that could not vary by more than 10 microns.
Earlier versions of the pickup seen in the wild have been called out for scratching and finish issues by prospective buyers, as well as being fingerprint magnets because of their stainless steel body.
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Elon has a habit of doing this
- It would seem Musk assumed the same thing.
Lmao, yeah i just watched the newest louis rossaman video and then you wouldnt be irretated why tesla fails more
Hey guys c'mon dont be so hard on Elon. He's doing his best ok? xD

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