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DDoS attack on Blizzard leads to more calls for a Diablo 4 offline mode

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DDoS attack on Blizzard leads to more calls for a Diablo 4 offline mode | Some players were unable to access the game for over 12 hours

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- At least there should be a mandatory "Always On" warning.
While I don't condone DDoS attacks, the only reason for D4 to be online-only is monetization IMO: Blizzard wants to sell cosmetics, so people have to see other people wearing them. There is little gameplay benefit from being an MMO-lite.
- Probably all sorts of datamining regarding the way people play also. Can't do that so easily if people are playing offline.
  
  Brilliant insight. They probably are tracking metrics on what will encourage people to buy stuff the most too
- I came to the same conclusion as you: why would people buy their stuff if they could just run an unlocker script or edit a config file to give that stuff to them? It's basically malicious DRM
  
  All DRM is malicious, and DRM is why not to buy. Plenty of other games that you can buy and also own.
- Potentially unpopular opinion, I like running into random other players in the world, particularly when doing events. I don't give a fuck about Blizzard's cosmetics and, frankly, unless I'm examining people, I can't even tell what they're wearing half the time.
  
  And you should have the option to do so.
  But that doesn't mean other people shouldn't have the option to play offline if they so choose.
- This one is hard for me to have an opinion on.
  Loot rolls need to be controlled by the server, or else people will just exploit all that stuff.
  Diablo doesn't have a lot of mechanics that really need players to interact with each other, but games like that and WOW are entirely based around gear grind. All accomplishment requires players to have a level playing field or players just won't want to play. It's just wierd like that.
  If people want an offline game, they should buy an offline game. It's not that smart to buy an always-online game and then complain about it.
That was probably the intention of the DDoS attack. Screw always-online singleplayer games.
- Do you know if there's any statement or if it's known who did this?
  
  I'm a bit wary of their DDoS claims. This happened during their Battle.net sale (which would increase traffic) and during the outage their CS was telling people to try multiple times (which is a great way to hammer the servers).
  It's likely they just couldn't handle the load, or ran into the thundering herd problem, and just claimed ddos because they didn't know better.
Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money
Online requirement for single player content is insane.
- It’s a dealbreaker for me, personally. I just won’t buy a game like that, no matter how much I want to play it.
  
  Yup. Unless it's a multiplayer-only game, there's no reason to require an always-on Internet connection except to data mine you.
This has never been a problem for Path Of Exile, but that is free to play.
- I quit everything Blizzard after Starcraft 2, that game had so much down time, and although it did have an offline option, you couldn't get new technologies as rewards in the campaign, when servers were down. Making it kind of redundant to have the offline mode IMO.
  You can call it a boycott, but a company gone bad, rarely turns back to good again.
  Fool me once and all that.
  
  Blizzard died for me when they started killing Hearthstone. I haven't regretted it since.
- How do you know that no one who has played PoE has needed/wanted offline mode?
  Personally I don't play PoE because of their policy on respeccing. An offline mode would likely make it possible for me to bypass that with mods.
  Speaking of mods D2 had awesome ones so it's sad 3, 4 & PoE are so locked down with the online mode to prevent this.
  
  I don't, but I have never seen anyone complain about it. I am but one voice is this world, though.
- I started playing PoE after getting to somewhat endgame in D4. Got to level 60 something and my buddy and I were like....sooo...whatcha wanna do now? Dungeon I guess? Then we just kinda stopped playing. The rubber banding and random lags were super annoying and resulted in many deaths - we had a great time but needs a lot more cookin in the oven.
  PoE on the other hand has been super refreshing and non laggy (the joy of 10 yrs of development I guess) and there's soo much to chew on. In a way it feels like a natural extension of D2 (played D2R for the first time last year).
  
  I never played D2 but I've been told it is supposed to be a spiritual successor.
Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money
- If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend Grim Dawn.
That's why I don't buy a bilzzard game until like 6-12 months after. its cheaper and actually finished. D3 launch was a fuckfest too.
I actually bought Diablo 4 during the downtime, and refunded it the next day when their support page was back up.
I find their claim of DDoS a bit dubious, and it's not like there aren't playbooks against DDoS. A 12 hour outage is insane either way.
- Even if it was a DDoS, they're the ones that decided to make the game vulnerable to such attacks in the first place. Even if they had valid reasons (which I find suspect), actions have consequences.
Path of Exile is online only as well. Diablo 3 however many years ago was online only too. This genre has been this way for a LONG time now. I understand people would like an offline mode but that fight should have happened 12 years ago if they really cared.
- PoE is at least free lol
- I disagree, the genre has not been this way for a long time. You named two games and one was Blizzards test for online only. Should I counter those examples with Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2, Diablo 2 Resurrected, Van Helsing, and Titan Quest?
People are still buying games from Blizzard? It's like everybody forgot what a terrible company it is.
- This sadly works for people these days.
- Doesn't matter. You can rape children and murder an entire bus of puppies. If you're releasing a new version of everyone's favorite thing, you're immediately forgiven.
  That's the society we live in. "my entertainment and desires above all else!"
  
  Look, it's a shitty version of a game I loved 20 years ago. Rape all the kids you want, just please let me have diablo 4!!!
I'm not exactly a fan of forced online games, but I decided a long time ago that any game that I couldn't download the server for wasn't worth 10¢ let alone how ever much they charge for it
i got the game with a new gpu otherwise i wouldn't buy it. its not bad but requiring an internet connection is so stupid..
id much rather play anytime/place vs being able to see other players in town or whatever..
games like this (and rdr2) really need to add a single player mode that doesn't require internet, its really stupid that you can be locked out of basically a single player game because u don't have internet..
I would not be surprised if they tried to make this a subscription offer.
I quit buying Blizzard products after the bNetd fiasco. Fuck them straight to hell.
I don't buy games that don't have an offline mode.
Simple solution, wait for someone to crack the game if it's not already and bam. Offline mode for your single player game
but if they did that, how would they try and tempt you into buying Mtx by showing other whales with all the cash shop gear?
They spent money patenting for this shit after all.
an offline mode being available... would mean offline only characters that cannot be in seasons etc. i'd like the option.
but based on a lot of "hotfixes" they've applied so far..
it seems like a lot of the game is run purely server-side. so i guess its not possible without a large overhaul of some code.. which of course, i'm fine with. it just means more work from blizzard, and thus i doubt it'll happen anytime soon.
Between always online games, and Starfield confirmed not having a physical disc release, I am weary for the future of gaming.
- Don't worry.
  At the end of the day, a good piece of art will always be the one thing that stays in people's minds.
  Sure, "triple A" gaming might crash and burn if it's built on endless growth and monetization, but indie games will always be there.
- Blame the era of rampant gaming piracy. No disc is fine, useless overhead that's just more plastic in a landfill.
  
  Steam, as well as numerous other marketplaces, have already proven the piracy boogeyman was nonsense.
  The overwhelming majority of customers are happy to pay for games as long as it's not a giant pain in the ass to do so. The people that pirate games either:
  Lack the money to buy the game in the first place in their budget
  Were motivated by the act of piracy itself
  Neither were actually going to pay for the game in the first place. And with the significant increase in both risk and awareness regarding information security, people that were "on the fence" for one of the above reasons have a high probability of deciding not to pirate just to play it safe.
  
  They want us to eventually just pay monthly forever to own nothing, that is where we are going,.
  This will lead to more piracy -- I am sure some community is already working to reverse engineer the servers for D4 without blizzard.
  Also fuck bobby kotick for ruining a whole generation of gaming.

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