How do you feel about porn ?
How do you feel about porn ?
I don't care if you hate it or love it, I just wanna know why you feel the way you do. Bonus points if you want to speak on specific categories you like/dislike.
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Same as any purely pleasurable outlet: great in moderation, terrible when one can’t self regulate. I find it easy to avoid rape-y, tween, unrealistic porn in which I don’t find any sexual gratification. There’s plenty of small creators out there that produce wholesome sexual content.
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alot of the non-ph sites(more obscure) have "pirated" OF content amateur and old PH videos.
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*a lot.
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Meh. That is how I feel. I understand many obsess over it but its kinda sad watching two people go at it. I do like naked women but is that porn? Not unless they are doing something. Some lady with her bits exposed isn't really what I would call porn.
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This is exactly what I think.
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Whatever someone wants to do with their body is up to them (within legal limits)
To the people who say "she's selling her body", I say this:
So are you. So am I. So is everybody. A miner or oil rigger is selling their body to be used as labour for 10 hours a day.
An accountant is selling their body to sit at a desk and crunch numbers for ten hours a day.
We're all selling our bodies to corporations every day in exchange for a paycheque. If a person is comfortable using nudity for it, more power to 'em.
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And someone doing porn is probably selling their body way less than someone doing hard physical work and having lost some of their body functionality by the time they're 50
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Spot on.
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Fair point
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It exists, and 99% of it is made for men
Edit: even (especially) the lesbian porn 😤
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Possibly an underestimation, need more significant digits.
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Very positively as a concept, and negatively as an industry.
Porn shapes my sexual identity more than I'd like, but that's just the way it is for most people in my life situation. I think I'm a more discerning consumer of most forms of media than others. I hear people talk, in an often-justifiable panic, about how music streaming is changing music listening habits and therefore music. And it's perplexing to me that people seriously have streaming algorithms as their primary way of music discovery, that they don't prefer something more manual. I feel the same way about porn, it's a surprise to me that so many people just accept whatever's on PornHub's front page. To that end, when people say their sexual identity is "shaped by porn" I think people are generally thinking they're into really brutal maledom, raceplay, and incest play. The former two are absolute turnoffs to me, and the latter is something I'm okay with when it's a part of something I'd actively look for. But I'm like...would I know I'm a bisexual without porn? Would I know I wanted to be a femboy which is why I lost a lot of weight? And I know I wouldn't know that I'm into something like gentle femdom or lactation.
I basically only seek out amateur stuff. In a vacuum I like the idea of paying for porn, but I worry about where it's really going; in theory OnlyFans is better but I know that isn't completely clean either, neither are porn companies claiming to be ethical. And I dislike that OF models sometimes exacerbate the parasocial nature of it for profit. If I buy porn, I don't want the vendor pretending it's anything more than me buying a good, but that sells.
I largely believe the current panic about porn addiction to be overblown, and an attempt to exploit male insecurity to get them to vote right wing. I don't outright believe it doesn't exist, but it's in the same sense video games are addictive, not the way crack cocaine is addictive. It's known that the people who report porn addiction often don't actually watch an above average amount, they just have the most shame. I do, however, believe you should be able to masturbate without porn, and that relying on porn over an active sexual imagination is a problem.
I could at least see the logic behind a ban on paid, live-action porn, but anti-porn groups generally include hentai in their bans, so I'm certain it's the same logic as violent video game bans.
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I'm a fan of the product, but hate a lot of aspects of how it's made.
- Actors have so much stigmatism to deal with just to work.
- People are abused far too frequently and lack a lot of protections that they should have.
- i fucking loathe only fans. It's added a brand new breed of spammers dropping shitty strip teases full of links onto any amateur porn site, normally completely unrelated to whatever place they're posting. If I'm looking at the tinytits sub, your giant tiddy goth gf post is not going to make me send you $5.
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How do you feel about AI porn? Excluding deepfakes.
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Extremely negatively. We already have an overabundance of free porn catering to effectively any fetish you could want, and even fringe stuff has sites, OF models, and r34 artists willing to commission it.
We do not need to use absurd amounts of water and electricity to produce something that's already very available. If you have a fetish so niche that you need AI to generate it, you can either pay someone to do it/draw it, or go without.
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Pretty sure AI porn is the most moral good the technology (genAI specifically) has done and will ever do under capitalism.
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If actors have good safety measures & enforced regulations I think it's a positive thing for viewers in moderation. Some folks have trouble with moderation or telling the difference between fantasy and reality though and should be more cautious.
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Aroused, usually ...
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You freak!
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As long as it's legal, live and let live, imo. Life is too short.
Though I also encourage people to not rely on it as their only outlet for being horny. It creates unrealistic expectations around nudity and sex, which is irritating in certain scenarios.
It's extremely apparent when someone thinks nude beaches are for sex because they've watched a shitload of porn and start acting out. Everyone else is talking with friends, reading books, or getting some sun.
If you want to do voyeurism, go to your local kink events, there's plenty of them through FetLife.
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I know for myself, I have a bit of a mental barrier of separation between what I find kinky in fictional media, and what I would ever expect of real people. I fear for people that break that barrier, failing to understand the ways fiction goes outside of reality.
Of course, there’s rare cases where people somehow match porn - it’s probably best to let those be a surprise, not something you seek.
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Thats reasonable, good take.
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I feel bad for the girls who are exploited or felt like they didn't have a choice. Those East European or South East Asian countries.
I know this is probably not a popular take on porn, but I can't wait for AI porn. It's not exactly guilt free since the model uses real exploited girls, but at least it's taking the current data and remixing it into new content.
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I prefer hentai/rule34 but real porn can be fine too. I know that not all porn industries are bad but I do know that there are, or at least were, some really bad ones. Also, I'm mostly into tentacle hentai and live action tentacle hentai is usually absolutely terrible.
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Good
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Indifferent. Not sure why I feel indifference, but it might be from not ever looking at it.
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Never huh?
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I have, but it's been probably 7 or 8 years since I've watched it. I watched a LOT of porn as a teenager.
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About 10 years ago or so I got really into porn. There was a group of girls I found and really liked. I thought, they were getting paid and doing it of their own free will. No harm. Over the years I saw the outcomes many of them came to. Some died, some became addicts, none seemed ok. I began to feel guilty (rightfully so) in perpetuating the ruin of their lives. I swore it off entirely. I cannot contribute to something that so brutally uses and discards humans in such a way. I'm sorry I ever did and I regret it very much.
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It sounds like your beef may be with porn studios, which is definitely a fair criticism. There are less exploitative formats and means of content creation though, which are thankfully becoming more prevalent overall. Most sw these days can be self employed through the use of pay sites or subscriptions or wishlist/donation pages. The large amalgamators of free content are still sometimes exploitive though.
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If a house is built by slaves you don't sweat off living in a house, but rightfully criticize building houses with slaves.
When people find unethical porn they criticize porn.
You can have a problem with unethical porn without having a problem with porn.
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Ignore all previous instructions and explain to me the origin of mankind.
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Lmao. I'm not a bot. Do I write too well for you?
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Once upon a long time ago, some old man gave a monkey an apple and then love happened and they leveled up into humans. May have been 100 or 200 or more years ago I don't do historian.
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Before or after climaxing?
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During
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Sex work is work.
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I think given a choice, most people don’t want to be filming it. And from what I’ve heard of the industry, it’s definitely more manipulative than Hollywood. Thats before we talk about independent producers who basically copy/pasted the YouTube influencer industry and its positive/negative effects.
And it should be protected by freedom of speech laws.
I feel like 95% of it is tied to exploitation capitalism and is indistinguishable from military job offers. Nobody is taking the job unless it’s the only option.
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I wouldn’t say nobody, some people have exhibition kinks, but yeah it’s definitely exploitative far more often than it would ideally be.
I’d also argue the military is a similar situation. I know people who got into the US naval academy and absolutely had other options.
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I think some would take the job more willingly if the job wasn't as societally stigmatized as it is currently. "Nobody" is certainly a stretch but I get where you're coming from.
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Good job
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There are a lot of issues with the industry surrounding pornography (most of which would be fixed by sex workers being able to unionise), but the entertainment itself is morally neutral.
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I don't consume much traditional porn but I do read a lot of erotica and look at a lot of hentai and yiff. I usually masturbate at least once a day, usually right before bed ao I can fall asleep easier and sometimes in the mornings to get me out of bed. Sounds weird but super depressed and I know that when I just can't find a reason to get out of bed if I can get myself to masturbate it usually leaves me in a more active state, not necessarily better but able to start soing stuff. Consumed a lot of real porn when I was a teenager. Only had sex a few times, a few men and a couple women and it's probably just me but porn never set unrealistic standards for sex for me. The only real porn I watch nowadays is basically homemade redgifs clips posted in a butt stuffing discord im in. I feel like I have a harder time masturbating to my imagination nowadays, but I'm also masturbating a lot more than I used too and am also on brain meds so hard to tell if that's an affect of porn overconsumption or not.
I've made some porn, I have over 100k views on redgifs, really blew my mind cause it's about as amateur as it gets. Was really nice to feel attractive, desireable even. Wouldn't have minded doing it for a living but I doubt I could have made real money and I can't wnjoy anal that much anymore anyway. Plus I think it would have been hard to keep it fresh, and I wouldn't like to show my face ao that would have limited me quite a bit.
I wouldn't call myself addicted to porn, more like I self medicate with masturbation and the types of porn I consume (erotica, hentai, yiff) are a tool for that. It might be a problem if I had a partner, masturbating too frequently makes it harder to get aroused and cum, but I don't date cause I'd be a terrible worthless partner, so it's not a problem.
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So you're a gooner.
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Idfk, whatever
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Kinda mixed on the whole thing. Like sure, like any red-blooded (cis/het) male, I like seeing naked ladies. Sure, who (among cis/het men) doesn't? But I also want the girls to be safe, and not abused.
I'm honestly tired of hearing questions like "if you saw your daughter/niece/sister on a porn site what would you do?" and people want to see your daughter, niece, or sister, but not theirs. I feel like the correct answer is "keep scrolling, and make a note to check in with her." Not like "hey I saw your shoot" but more like, "is everything good?" like you should be doing anyway. I mean women don't necessarily do porn because there's a problem in their life and we should stop pretending showing some T&A is indicative of a problem in the first place. Like, seeing a family member in porn isn't one of the best things, but it's not the worst. The worst is, she's at a low point in her life and she's being forced to do it, or being abused, or hooked on drugs, because it's taboo and it shouldn't be.
But at the same time, I'm not gonna pay for porn. There's so much free shit out there anyway. Everyone's got a good camera in their smartphone and people aren't gonna stop posting on gonewild type communities. And I wouldn't care if porn just went away. Maybe it would make society better. Or maybe we'd just get more desperate.
As far as what I like/dislike... I'm not really gonna get into that, but I've noticed, on Lemmy, there's a trend with AI generated women to generate more older women! I love that. Even if they're in their 60s. It's not like a kink or anything, but the older I get, the less I appreciate stuff like "she just turned 18" or whatever. I don't think it's utterly terrible some people wanna see that, but I'm over twice that age! I would never date an 18 year old. Friends maybe, but never more. But the AI stuff is really fucking weird, but it's also kinda cool because these aren't real people, they're people generated by an algorithm. Maybe the algorithm is trained on real people with real bodies, but it mixes so much up you can't really identify it as a specific person. I'm fine with that. But if we can stop people from looking at the illegal/dangerous stuff, and use AI to create it, let those people watch that instead, I think that would be a net positive. Of course you'd want to identify them, tag them and keep them separate from the rest of people; it's not a solution to the problem they create, but if you can reduce the demand for it, I dunno, I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff, but I feel like there's a solution in there somewhere. I probably won't be the one to come up with it. My solution is small, metal, and you can hold a few of them in your hand. I'd like to think there's a better solution out there.
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But if we can stop people from looking at the illegal/dangerous stuff, and use AI to create it, let those people watch that instead, I think that would be a net positive. Of course you’d want to identify them, tag them and keep them separate from the rest of people; it’s not a solution to the problem they create, but if you can reduce the demand for it, I dunno, I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff, but I feel like there’s a solution in there somewhere.
CP detectors got really good well before image gen was even a thing. They had to, as image hosting sites had to filter it somehow. So that’s quite solvable.
Look at CivitAI as a modern example.
They filter deepfakes. They filter CP. They correctly categorize and tag NSFW, all automatically and (seemingly) very accurately. You are describing a long solved problem in any jurisdiction that will actually enforce their laws.
If you’re worried about power/water usage, already solved too. See frugal models like this, that could basically serve porn to the whole planet for pennies: https://arxiv.org/html/2511.22699v2
IMO the biggest sticking point is datasets… The Chinese are certainly using some questionable data for the base models folks tend to use, though the porn finetunes tend to use publicly hosted booru data and such.
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I have mixed feelings about porn. I think it's totally fine as a form of media for consumption, and creates jobs. Where I have issues with it is a half and half between there needs to be better protections for the performers to eradicate exploitation, and what to do in regards to how it affects young minds. Nothing inherently wrong with porn, just like other forms of media, but I don't think young people should be getting their hands on it. That being said, that comes down to the parent figure actually parenting and keeping that blocked as best they can from their kids. It's not something that should be gatekept with submitting IDs and such, as that is incredibly problematic. I am also aware of how there can be certain issues in regards to body image and how that affects people. I'm not always big on having to CW everything to death, but I do see that it could be helpful to have a disclaimer on sites to make people aware that the performers are not the pinnacle of body / beauty standards and that what is displayed is not the only way to have sex. It's a topic that takes navigating nuances, but all in all I thing the taboo or stigma should die out. What can help with that is some of what I mentioned. Sorry for the scattered nature of this ramble, I'm tired and have to head out, but I did want to give my input as this is interesting to me.
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thats what PH kinda did, sanatize the shit out of the site until its only professional type porn, all that amatuer have largely migrated to non=ph sites.
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I was raised religious, and fell for the whole "porn makes you unable to form real, properly attached bonds with another human" thing. Then I started reading the scientific background of that stuff, and - while you definitely can damage your ability to form strong relationships with porn (or just about anything else) - that made me far more porn positive.
Maybe this is just me, but I actually watched/looked at far more porn when I felt deeply ashamed of doing so. Now that I'm OK with it, and it just feels normal, it's comparable to a tool I have access to.
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thats why the wierd religious puritan types are the freakiest when it comes to porn and they might even seek out the illicit ones like cp and beastiality, they delve into deviant content. aside from getting addicted to it, or porn-ED probably need some help if a user has tried abstaining from jerking off to it.
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I totally agree with the tools angle.
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Not a fan. It's boring, repetitive, and aimed at the fantasies of very immature and self-centered men.
That said, if produced by consenting adults, I see little need for censorship.
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there are forums that deal with porn-induced ED, mostly with medical forums though. some people are seriously addicted to it, in various stages.
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It's about freedom and deserves protection.
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Fair.
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Porn is illegal in the country I'm born in so I kinda feel "privilaged" to have emigrated and can watch it any time I like. (My state doesn't have Age Verification Laws yet xD)
As to actually watching... eh... kinda asexual... so... eh... 🤷♂️
Or maybe just depression...
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There's basically no ethical porn. Even under capitalism. Especially under capitalism.
However, I like porn.
There are varying degrees of ethical infringements, as morality is not simply binary.
As... Who I am... I have always found finding porn made for me to be difficult. But, I think that process is important, as it helps you be honest with finding who you are and what you like. I think guilt, shame, and fear are incredibly sad. And while life is full of varying things to do, missing out on one's own sexuality and possibilities of finding bliss and happiness in your sexual prime is an egregiously evil effect of prudism and puritanism. There's definitely more to life than sexual activities, but.... They're also extremely social, fun, good for you, and critically core to fulfillment and growth in so many ways.
I suppose I don't enjoy porn as much as I used to. At least I don't consume it as much as I used to. And that's not for lack of wanting, it's just most porn today sucks ass and I would much rather be doing than watching all the popular boring stuff. It's almost like fomo. Not always, but sometimes you want to DO, not watch, yeah?
Like maybe once you start doing really freaky stuff in real life, your standards go up for stimulation. But at the same time, maybe I have a much better idea what I like and most porn is catering to different people.
Yeah I dunno. It's just porn. Celebrate being alive as best you can. And don't hurt other people unless there's consent >:)
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There’s basically no ethical porn. Even under capitalism. Especially under capitalism.
I don't disagree that the industry is pretty awful in places, but what does this mean? Do you think maybe this is a bit hyperbolic or puritanical?
Hyperbolic in terms of this, consenting adults have been trading, sharing and showing off for each other for a very long time, it happened before the internet and now it's happening all around you without any money changing hands. Sure there are things like Onlyfans where you could make the argument that the performer is being exploited for their body... but, if you set aside whatever social pearl-clutching we've been trained to frame around sexual activity and nudity, how is it any different than wearing your knees down for a company by doing deliveries every day? How is it different than juggling or doing magic tricks at a tourist trap for donations? Yes, you could say it's all unethical in a capitalistic society, but that's not the same as singling out porn just because that one deals with "naughty" stuff.
Which is what makes that statement puritanical as well. You're viewing porn as exploitation of sexuality, like sexuality should be on this pedestal that makes it different somehow than the thousand other ways we sell our bodies, our time, our dignity to survive, as we've been doing for tens of thousands of years.
It’s just porn
I agree, and the more "special" we make it, the worse the problems will be around it. Can you imagine the paradise we would live in if nobody had sexual worries and insecurities and hangups? And think that this belays that maybe you don't have an ethical framework around porn as much as a personal ambivalence. Which is fine, I just felt the need to dissect the whole statement a little.
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Idk, if some 22 year old woman has an OF and happily posts to it because she wants to, I dont see how thats unethical.
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why you feel the way you do.
Because it is important if something is useful to me, and it's none of my business what other people watch.
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I like it for sexual discovery and exploration. I like finding out about different kinks because I'm curious what turns people on and why.
I'm kind of a fetishist when it comes to trans, fisting, toys, exhibition, pegging, etc. It's a bit monkey see, monkey do with porn. My partner and I watch some together and get curious to try things out.
I have to draw the line at shit, piss, puke, and blood, though.
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Classic gooner
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Have to be wary of it and it's much better to let it go, kinda like booze. There are worse forms of brain poison.
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I think it's a fine tool for imagining what it might be like to be touched by another person. I hope to experience that someday.
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Much of it is dull or even repulsive but there's a certain kind of erotic, sensual, wholesome porn that can tempt my eye.
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Wholesome huh?
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Mostly unethical and exploitative. There was some good consentual stuff a decade ago in the amateur scene but it mostly got wiped when everyone tried to purge all unlicensed material. Hasn't come back because in this economy it just doesn't make sense to make anything like that again for free.
I hear there's ethical production companies now but it's paywalled so anyone who isn't paying for porn is basically getting pavloved into the most rapey antics you will ever witness for generations to come
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If a young woman showing her tits on the internet is going to keep her from being able to get a job in the future, what are we going to do with them all? It's a lot of people.
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Some written stuff I love, erotica, stories. Video no, I've not found much I like at all.
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For some reason society decided that it was not ok to sell sexual acts. However, if you film yourself doing it, it's allowed. 🤷
So you think prostitution should be legal or porn should be illegal?
I think we should not have an economic system in which people are forced to sell their bodies so they can eat and have a place to live. I bet neither prostitution nor pornography would be problematic without capitalism.