Chippys_mittens @ Chippys_mittens @lemmy.world

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The way you phrased that is kind of confusing. I'm fine with religious people, assuming they don't use their religion as an excuse to hate or promote violence. For example, I think many anti religious people think of all Christians as believing in a type of Christianity similar or the same as what the Westboro Baptist church preached. In reality, many Christian denominations are accepting of lgbtq+ people as well as any race or ethnicity. Even the catholic church took a more progressive stance on gay people a few years back.

Oh yeah stews and sauces are perfect for the freezer!

I struggle with the idea that being part of a religion means you support the negatives without acknowledging the positives. For example, the catholic church has a horrible track record with child abuse. Sentiments I hear accuse catholics of loving and supporting pedophiles. But the catholic church also funds thousands of hospitals, clinics, food banks, orphanages and schools. They were also one of the few institutions setting up and running programs for needy people historically. Can someone hate aspects of the institution while supporting others and still be considered moral? Surely if you were to poll catholics, almost none would condone acts of child abuse. But, they would all support helping the needy. Is it reasonable to hold all members accountable for the horrible acts of a few? Maybe, maybe not, I really don't know.

That's an excellent point and not something I or the majority of commenter have taken into consideration. I'm really curious to know if any of the major detractors in these comments have more good will to nontheistic religions. Considering the numbers of comments that reference people being stupid for believing in a fake being.

Yeah that's pretty much what I've gathered from this thread and conversations I've had. Both sides see themselves as morally and intellectually superior. I don't see much willing cohesion being possible on the extreme sides of either. Luckily the majority of people seem to fall in the middle.

I appreciate the comment but don't worry about my feelings. I know how divisive a topic this is and I recognize the platform I'm asking on will have a pretty specific slant one way. That's all fine by me and down arrows on the internet won't effect my mental state whatsoever. I know/knew how strongly most feel on this and in many cases justifiably. I was/am curious about how far people think is acceptable. I obsess over understanding how "things" work, usually that starts and stops with physical devices/machines. However, I've been working more and more on trying to understand people and how they work, outside of my personal social circle. The prevailing opinion from this thread as well as in person conversations is pretty simple. Those who have a disdain for the religious view themselves as being morally and intellectually superior to the religious. Its an ironic paradox because the equally far other side of the spectrum seems to have the exact same belief about the non-religious. Although, particularly radical religious people are known to genocide, unlike any proposed thoughts stated here. I know the vast majority of people fall into camps somewhere between those two extremes. Sometimes its just interesting to see where the ends are.

My stance is anyone using any belief system to excuse hate is wrong.

Yeah freezing works well for me when I make meat sauces. But I don't usually freeze whole muscle meat that way.

Yeah, second autopsy wasn't released and the statement he made is completely false as of current information available.

Yes there is absolutely tons of horrific cases of lynching and race motivated killings in the USA's history as well as current day. I'm not disputing that. There is also a considerable history of the government and accelerationist groups using tragedies like this suicide to create violent riots and social unrest. Especially considering the current administration. We need to look at current evidence and react accordingly. Giving the fascist any reason to further crack down hurts everyone but the elites. My heart breaks for the victim and the family 100%. I'm not against further investigation either. If foul play is discovered ANYONE involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But, until we have any evidence at all that suggests that we need to stay objective.

Claims gaslighting while blatantly spreading a false narrative that the family has even stated is false.

That's your response to me saying the facts you tried to present have been proven untrue? You're the one gaslighting and spreading unproven information because you desperately want it to help the narrative you've created for the world.

Solid

That's close to how I feel.

That's reasonable. Enemy of my enemy and all that jazz.

That's honest

That's fair. You're morally and intellectually superior but you don't HATE anyone. That's been the general consensus I've seen so far.

Wrote the question based on some comments I'd seen on lemmy, reddit and conversations with friends. If you don't think many people believe hating someone based on their religion is morally correct, you should read some of the comments in this thread. It started with a long conversation with a close friend of mine. He considers himself an atheist and views religion and religious people as the root of most major evils in the world. I think its a reasonable premise based on my lived experience. Just curious what other people think.

That's the part that I find interesting though.

You would consider all religious people intolerant then?