Rant - it's always frustrating to see people considering 38k monthly active users as "no users"
For the whole thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1ouk003/reddit_no_longer_allows_api_access_without_an/
People are so stubborn that they're still using Twitter lol. It'll be many years before anything overtakes Reddit, I just hope it's decentralized
I don't need anything to overtake Reddit. We don't need one platform to rule them all. I like our small corner of the internet. I like it to grow slow and organically. And it's already decentralized.
no users. Lets stop pretending we can fix this by moving to yet another different platform
"We can't fix the 'no users' problem by adding more users"
I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas. Whaa.
if all the people who said this actually went on Lemmy/PieFed and started leaving comments on posts, they would have nothing left to complain about
As if complaining with no power will convince capitalists to make changes.
These people just love to complain that Reddit doesn't listen to them, but they still sit at the trough when Reddit ignores them. Why should Reddit spend good money trying to appease them if they aren't even going to threaten to leave
IMO someone looking to be fed a constant stream of content will always be happier with commercial platforms. Someone looking to participate in a community or have discussions can be convinced to come to the fediverse.
there are more users than i could ever talk to. that's plenty.
I only block jerks and there are more every day!
That’s how I know this particular social media is growing.
38k is more than enough activity for a plateform to be lively. Especially when those user are spread across the world, allow for content at every hour.
That's one thing I love about the Fediverse. Over on Reddit, if you belong to the 38k, you're a rounding error. Here, you're a significant part of the community.
Like complaining about the number of people on the rafts versus the Titanic. You can stay there if you want, but you are never going to "fix" a platform that you don't control.
Their loss, Lemmy is great. Everyone's been pretty good so far, even when I'm being the annoying-preachy anarchist in a lib/nonpolitical instance. That and Sync for Lemmy have made it a pretty pleasant experience.
I'm astonished that reddit it still going after all the decent users left en masse a few years ago.
I like that it's small enough that we all probably know who the thorn guy is.
I think I've only ever been banned from one community, and it was an NCD clone run by the reddit equivalent sub.
The fact that you can say pretty much anything here is probably lemmy's biggest advantage, despite it being such a low bar these days lol.
Insert rant against dichotomies: this stinks "it's either as big as Reddit or empty" from a distance.
My best experience with forums was one where we celebrated the day we got 300 users at the same time. It still felt vibrant, active, nice to be there. In comparison with that forum, 38 000 monthly active users is huge.
Plus those muppets behave like they really want to wallow in their own misery.
My best experience with forums was one where we celebrated the day we got 300 users at the same time. It still felt vibrant, active, nice to be there.
Indeed, even with 20 active people you can already have a vibrant community.
Yep!! I grew up on message boards like that, it was lovely. You don't need that many people and IMO the small end is better
More real users than Reddit
Especially when each Lemmy user is valued at 342 times the worth of a Reddit user.
How dare you insult all lemmings with that low estimate haha
Are you saying that comments like came here to say this take my upvote who's cutting onions saving this for later laughed at this harder than I should have tell me you're x without telling me you're x not all heroes wear capes sigh unzips pants thank you for the gold kind stranger are somehow less valuable than a genuine human thought?
Preposterous! Laughable!
Being able to complain about something incessantly is a feature for these people, they don't want it fixed (not that they'd ever admit it).
But moving would literally solve the number problem. That's how Reddit got big.
No but see stop proposing that, it would be bad for spez
I wouldn't mind seeing Lemmy grow further, but I hope it never reaches the levels of current day Reddit.
I don't want to see a single server grow to the size of Reddit. I wouldn't mind the network as a whole growing to that size, though.
I suspect that if the lemmy side of the fediverse did grow to the size of Reddit we would probably see a lot more fragmentation than we currently have.There'd be upsides and downsides to that.
Don't feed the trolls. They don't need to be here anyway
I've found more genuine and enlightening conversations here in two years than I ever did in Reddit. They can have that trashcan. I'm having fun here without them.
Personal experience: the smaller group is, the more friendly and stick-together group will be.
Reddit had bots for a fucking long time. And since they allowed to close up user profiles post/comment history, tracking who is who became harder. There is no way that wasn't by design, it most certainly is. There is no secret that reddit is in cahoots with LLM companies. They will use (or already are using) bots to populate their site and probably will skew public perception in a desired way using bots.
Not like Lemmy has no bots. But it's so much more peaceful here.
Also commercial platforms try to maximize their user count so they can sell more ads.
Meanwhile, fediverse has little interest in increasing its user numbers, because we don't generate money from it. In fact, more users would probably mean (slightly) higher infrastructure costs, though i'm not sure how much they actually are or whether one could consider them "negligible".
Anyways, if we had more users, we'd also have more diverse content on Lemmy, and i would definitely appreciate that. Honestly, it's a bit sad that 50% of the posts on the frontpage are about US politics, but i guess it's just a topic that gets a lot of traction because it affects a lot of people and also because there's not so much other content on the platform yet. I hope we'll get more communities about somebody's fringe favorite topics. :D
-sigh-
Create an instance that’s nothing but tons of bots bullshitting eachother and include them in the numbers. You know, the ways all the other companies lie about their user count.
yeah, really shows the absurdity of the metric of "user numbers" xD
you'd think the companies buying ad-space would catch onto that...eventually, but apparently not? guess in a bull market $ is infinite anyway, so who really cares just pump pump pump
The stock goes up when you buy ads. That's all that matters.
Centralised platforms trying to be all things to all users are a terrible idea.
No users. Let's not fix this by not moving there. 🤯
their loss...
FOMO is a weird thing. Sometimes I get in moods where it's like, I don't want to watch a movie from 10 years ago, it's not relevant and no one is interested in it anymore. Or music, or whatever. We're actually hardwired to go along with the crowd, to want to be part of the bigger crowd, etc. So cheers to all you who chose this less-trodden path, or just got banned enough times on Reddit to take the hint 🍻
I'd rather take 38k active monthly users than the maybe 20 non-bots and 3 billion bots on their landfill they call a garden.
Drives me nuts with games too. Some games NEED a huge userbase for balance and ELO and whatnot, but it's always wild to see a solo or team-based PvE game billed as "dead" because it has only 5k concurrent players.
quality > quantity
Never mind, you got the message across and 13 people agree with you.
FWIW, I would not advertise a single instance though. Maybe more sth like this: https://lemmyverse.net/
I've tried several time to point people to instance choosers, 9 times out of 10 people reply "I don't want to have to choose, can't you just suggest one for me?"
That's why I ended up pointing to that one.
Also, Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy currently misses: https://join.piefed.social/features/
i think lemmy shouldn't devolve into a feature-bloated monstrosity.
i've made the experience consistently in my life that the software that's still around after more than 30 years is mostly the software that's very simple and stable, no new features added after a while. Consider linux command line programs like wget and mkdir. Programs should do one thing and do it well, i believe.
meanwhile feature-creep slowly kills programs like cancer. consider notepad which got tabs, dark theme, and now it's a 300 MB memory-consumption electron-based web browser with a text editor.
I think advertising a single instance makes it less confusing for the Reddit users, if you give them a link to make them choose then they get analysis paralysis
But when you drive everyone to one instance you end up with things like mastodon.social where they're nearly 50% of the whole, which is decidedly not good. I dunno if lemmy/piefed has that problem or not though. As long as everyone isn't suggesting the same instance it should be alright
analysis paralysis
ooh I like that term, I'ma use it. Funny thing, I'd been on lemmy for over a year when I decied to make a mastodon account to participate in watch parties. I understood the basics of federation. and I KNEW it didn't really matter what instance I made an account on, but it still took me over a month to make an account because of analysis paralysis.
It's frustrating to see people considering 4 upvotes something to be frustrated about.
I mean, for something that is meant to provide cotent for near-every niche or interest out there, it is nearly nothing. On Reddit, both Dota2 and War Thunder are more than half-way there every week, and those are both niche, and not particularly topical. Frankly, for the average user, Lemmy doesn't have enough content to be relevant.
Dont get me wrong, I'm still here and still hopeful for the Fediverse's success but blaming the user and pretenting the problems don't exist isn't helping the problem, and instead just makes us look like elitists and assholes. We're the ones trying to make a product for them, not the other way around. If you want the platform to be appealing to standard users, stop whining, and start posting more or otherwise contributing more to the platorm.
It not having the people to be a place for you is perfectly acceptable reason to not be interested, but dismissing near 40K people as nothing is just wrong. That's the population of a decent sized town.
We’re the ones trying to make a product for them
I really hate this language. I'm trying to build a community, not make something to be profited off.
While I mostly agree with you, I'd argue that a "product" isn't something that necessarily involves any sort of capitalist fever dream of something to be sold or profited off of. A "product" is, at the end of the day, a quantifiable result of work, and Fediverse software is arguably such a thing.
If you want the platform to be appealing to standard users, stop whining, and start posting more or otherwise contributing more to the platorm.
That's... what I'm doing?
The "you" was meant to be a more general you, rather than you specifically, although my point is the same. Launching a social media site is a herculean task, and requires the effort (or funding) to match. Its up to those trying to establish the platform to put in the effort, not the ones we're trying to "sell" to, and insulting or blaming them just makes us look like assholes.
blaming the user and pretenting the problems don't exist
Good thing no one did either of those things
More users don't necessarly mean more niche communities users
Maybe its just my opinion but I personally wouldn't reccomend piefed until they get a bit more stable, they have a few more pressing issues rn than users
All the new users made Reddit objectively worse. I am not looking forward to when or if Lemmy ever blows up.
Seriously, this platform is far from dead. Lemmy is not quite the same depth of niche content as Reddit was, but it's certainly usable. If you can recognize Reddit's practices are a problem then with a bit of effort there is another option.
San Marino Monaco and Vatican 👀
I think it's already too much.
I mean, 38k just means 34,2k bots and 3,8k actual users
The ratio of bots to humans is significantly better on lemmy than on reddit. In fact that's another reason that the dork in OP is wrong about "no users," because absolute numbers don't matter very much if you're interested in conversations with actual human beings, what matters is the likelihood that it's just bots responding and upvoting (or the opposite) and with reddit your odds on that are shit.
Not really. The user-to-bot metric is way worse on Reddit, I'd imagine.
Are there really that many bots on lemmy? I really only ever notice the couple RSS bots that float around between me blocking them.
Occasionally I'll see one acting up and filling the frontpage with spam but Beyond that I don't see many. There are a few users I suspect are chat GPT agents, but that's gonna be an issue anywhere.
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The only subreddits I would consider worth looking at are under 38k monthly active users. We could do with more non political content though.
It's okay, if Reddit is what "has users" looks like, then I'm perfectly happy to have "no users" over here on the Fediverse.
It would still be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as
You're not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there's not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you'd like, but maybe there's enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
But also, no community happens out of a vacuum. If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they'll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.
But yes, in general I agree, it would be nice if we had a little more activity around here. But I'd still rather us be on the smaller size than the too large to manage size of Reddit, given the option.
That's true, but I am not interested in any of those. I'm mostly fine with the topics here, and I'm happy that the idiots of Reddit stay on Reddit.
I don't post because nobody is posting there lmao
I think that says more about the state of movies and TV than it does lemmy.
Exactly. Assholes like that can stay on Reddit and suck more spez corporate bot cock.
I think it's more just that most of the users are bots or marketing interns.