cassandrafatigue @ cassandrafatigue @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Is there something else we should be doing to them?

Before they kill us, I mean? Or while?

Also ways of being around people that aren't consumptive would be cool.

No, no, the scientists owe the companies. For, uh.

The scientists owe the companies!

I think revenge only has value as revenge if it comes from the victim.

'Evil' is kinda stupid

And 'removing' is what you so when you can't fix. Like, don't replace if you can recycle. If youre just murdering everyone who you don't like, I think that's bad.

Thank you for correcting your mistake.

Okay but then how will the corporate goblins exploit us by land lording it?

Piracy! For SCIENCE!

they deserve

Uh, feel like you're missing my point.

They want up front street viole!ce and glorious dead in pretty dressed up funerals.

Don't give it to them, but don't be peaceful either

Take them alive. Make what's done to them very visible humiliate them. Maim them. Give them something to be afraid of. Or give them a nice hot meal and negotiate for prisoners to be released, for withdrawal from cities, for total police disarming, for fucking whatever.

Seems like cop behavior to me.

I didnt say he wouldn't make other problems.

I'd go for

With what money? They own the means of 'nonviolent' change enforced by men with guns. There is one solution. They must die. Unless you own an oil company or something.

So the solution still isn't punishment?

I think the value of punishment is in empowering the victim or making an example.

The value to the victim in punishment is in reclaiming agency. If the state punishes someone, the victim gets nothing. It's a waste. Maybe less than a waste; the opportunity for personal revenge for a personal wrong is lost.

Some things will not be deterred by consequences, imposed or otherwise, and the victim can't/won't take agency from revenge, so punishing them is absurd.

Sometimes you just need a fucker gone. Nazis and stuff. It's not about punishment, unless you're trying to deter. It's about not having that in the world and being unable or unwilling to spend the resources to fix the problem in a more wholesome way.

Even then, is the value worth the cost? The mechanisms of organized punishment and deprivation existing? The culture of interpersonal violence? Generally no. But the discourse about 'crime' ignores literally fucking all of this.

Its a matter of power, not crimes though. Grab Adolf Hitler when he's just some asshole homeless guy who likes to draw badly, and he's probably still gonna be an asshole, but you could totally make him a non-bigoted asshole.

Grab him in the bunker, its not worth it, and killing him has a lot more value to the world than his meth addled ass ever could.

No but see I dont consider prisoners human so its fine.

Damage is done, landlords won't surrender, and too much of our stolen money will be used to buy elections.

The solution is blood. No other will work. The landlords must die.

Landlords will need to be killed. Thats a hell of an incemtive. Butcher them and display the mangled remains. Make their kin watch.

So, that's one incentive structure I can think of. I'm sure there are others though.

No but that would be communism and that's bad.

So what can we do to fix the problem without taking thr landlord dick out of our mouths?

Or take the greatest hits of Maoism. One of these is going to happen, and I have a favorite. I want revenge.