Orcs and Uruk-Hai discussing dinner

They're taking the chickens to Isengard?

Ei-sengard.
_I _hope _some _German _speakers _enjoyed _that _pun.
- Ich ess' lieber keine Orceier.
  Und die Scwänze konnen sie sich auch behalten.
  Haben Orcs 'leicht Plfaumen?
- No Sengard?
- Oh
What did you say?

One egg to rule them all, one egg to find them, One egg to bring them all and in the omelette bind them.

Are we sure the One Ring isn’t an everything bagel?
- Fuck there's a good bagel shop just outside of bike range. I either need to get on shape or a second battery
- Shhh, Jobu Tupaki might hear you.
Making the mother of all omlettes here, Jack. Can't fret over every egg!
I'm making my famous all day meatballs right now. I'm using a neighbor's egg, which is much bigger than standard store bought ones. So this content is ringing hard for me.

Chickens are very poorly treated in some farms. I'd prefer not to get into details, it's very NSFW.

I think the way in which the chicken is raised ~~doesn't affect vegans~~ doesn't change the vegans stance :p
But, I think it's fair to say that some methods of eating animals are less cruel than others. It's better to get people to eat less cruel than not and better to eat less meat than not. Eating from local farms is almost always better.
- You are correct that it doesn't change my stance, and I wouldn't use animal products (e.g. eggs or wool are two big ones people bring up a lot) even if I know for a fact that the animal is treated well and isn't suffering at all.
  But also - I agree with you. Buying cheap wool from Amazon vs getting wool from your buddy that has some alpacas as pets is extremely different. Same for Walmart eggs (even free range ones - I have seen free range chicken farms, knew someone who treated their chickens "well" by industry standards and it was.... not great) vs getting them from the local guy down the street who has a hens that their kids play in the yard with.
  I personally will never eat even those animal products because for me being consistent in every scenario is a lot easier, and I don't feel the need to justify why eating animal products is ok in certain circumstances - I just don't do it. And I feel like this is a better stance than still finding ways to still consume, but I would be much, much happier if everyone who consumed animal products only did so through such means. That would require that we as a society produce orders of magnitude less animal products, though. It's not normal or healthy for humans to consume pounds of meat every day, and we produce even more than we consume, leading to excess waste. Basically the whole system is garbage and switching to "kind" animal products would be just as, if not more, difficult than just going vegan as a society.
  But yes, I would accept any ally in trying to reduce "Big Ag" or whatever people call it these days. We can argue about the most optimal way to sustain a society when we have fixed the things we can pretty much all agree are problems.
- As always these things are complicated. I do not claim to represent any group stance, but the way the animal is treated very much matters to me. How can I argue in good faith against something like Cooperative Payún Matrú, a goat herder’s collective, in the Andes? Their animals are truly free roaming. The animals’ lives are not constant suffering. It’s more sustainable than the way many of my vegetables are grown.
- Fwiw there's a lot of vegans who chose their stance because of how the animals are treated.
  I'm not vegan but it is rather terrible. It's beginning to affect the food, too. Ever notice that a lot of chicken has the grainy/woody issue nowadays? That's caused by the chickens growing too large too fast. Their muscles experience a lot of stress and inflammation, quite often becoming so large they literally rip off of the bones.
  If you want good chicken, go to a butcher or buy air-chilled.
- Even though your point of view is reasonable and a good compromise, it still makes you an enemy of vegans. Even though it's moving the world closer to their goals, they'd rather ostracize everyone who's taking measured steps.

Taking the eggs encourages egg laying which strains the chicken. It also encourages the enslavement of further generations of chickens and the suffocation or grinding up of male chicks.

You can't enslave animals.
- It's actually pretty easy, many of them barely fight back
- Yeah you can.
I grow the males until they start fucking the shit out of the females, and then eat them before the females become bedraggled. they get a chance to explore, fight and fuck, as they are wont to do.
Hens lay eggs all the time, if they're well-fed. they'll happily eat mice, or other species, or snake eggs, or whatever they find. they're not exactly.. ..kind creatures.
If you isolate them from all other things and treat them as a pet, they'll take on pet behaviors, like a lot of creatures do. but, that's not how they naturally behave.
I have no qualms about treating something better than it would treat me, even if it does end up on my dinner plate. But chickens, like any creature, experience. ..and as such, we should do our best to give them a decent experience overall.
- They don’t naturally behave like anything, as they are artificial. Hens don’t lay eggs all the time. We’ve bred them too, at their peril.

As a vegetarian - this is hilarious

Wonder what animal rights people think about mosquitoes...

You could ask the same question about all sorts of parasites (ticks, tapeworms, etc.), but I think the answer is pretty clear. It's not the conundrum you think it is, and the vast majority of people correctly see no contradiction between killing a mosquito that's on their arm drawing blood and agreeing that mosquitoes are a relevant part of the ecosystem that should not disappear entirely.
Gee gosh what a clever point that nobody has thought of before. You're the first one! Those silly animal rights people should just give up everything they believe in now that you've totally destroyed the logic of what they've thought about way to much compared to how much you've thought about it. You've exposed their hypocrisy. If they can't do everything exactly perfect, what's the point of trying to make anything better, right? Anybody that aims for anything less than extremism doesn't really exist anyway; everybody thinks in black and white. Thank you thank you thank you for your thoughtful contributions on this subject that turns out to be really simple. Everybody else that allows for any sort of nuance is dumb compared to you with your single clever point that brings the whole thing down. Why would anybody even bother going any deeper into this than you already have since you've solved the whole thing?
- This but unironically.
Why mosquitoes? Cats are right there. They're obligate carnivores.
But I don't see that as the point, the point is that we as an (supposedly) intelligent species can choose not to murder a quarter of a billion chickens every 24 hours, and that we can replace what nutrients we get from meat with mineral, plant or fungi alternatives.
- mUrDeR
  People like you are why vegans/vegetarians have such an uncalled for bad rep.
It's not really that complicated. I think most people feel that we shouldn't toruture animals. It's just that a small part realize what is happening to the animals that we eat and they don't want to be part of that system anymore. The others just look away but they actually feel the same about how we should treat animals. "Animal Rights People" are not some "hard to understand" people.
Who wants to eat mosquitoes anyway
- Dragonflies.
There's a difference between protecting yourself from a parasite species which spreads deadly diseases and torturing an intelligent being for no reason. Happy animals taste better, you know.
- You were so close, and then fumbled at the last sentence. It doesn't matter what they taste like, you're literally just describing torturing them for fun with different words.
- Had me until the last sentence.
  No animal deserves to die when humans can get all of their nutrition from fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, legumes, and algae.
  Except for B12. But then again, most omnivores are deficient in B12 too, and magnesium, zing, K2, etc.
  Thankfully going vegan likely means you eat last processed food and more real food, which increases vitamin intake.
This isn't really the gotcha you think it is. Killing mosquitos is self defense, it isn't comparable in any way to killing innocent animals which have done nothing to you.
- In many places mosquitos are not dangerous and are at most annoying. Can I kill an animal because it's buzzing by my ear? Or should I capture and let it outside?
Jainism. It's ancient and worried about small lifeforms we can't see since before we identified bacteria or used a microscope.

Just got two dozen out of the coop this morning.

delicious, delicious butt nuggets.

goblins are back on the menu boys.

Ei-sengard.