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Liberals be like

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Liberals be like

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Yep according to them every hunger related death under a communist government is communists fault but the many famines under capitalism don't count against their favorite system.
- Or like the Memorial to Victims of Communism in Canada that was mostly Nazis and collaborators on it.
- When you ignore established agricultural science because it's too capitalist, and your crops fail, starving a significant portion of your country, yeah that's kinda the governments fault.
  
  Sitting alone in the highest tower of your mind palace, curtains drawn, coming up with things that happened in the outside world through pure wisdom and common sense
  "What exactly am I talking about?" you say, "Well isn't it obvious?! Everybody knows!"
  "communists hate science after all!" you add after a moment's pause.
  
  When bourgeois kulaks burn crops to resist collectivization, it's the the communists government that's ignoring science. The more you know
  
  Also comparing the millions of dead from a single country to the millions dead in a global system is a bit disingenuous
- I wonder if it would be fairer to count all of them from both sides or have some more selective metric, though that cab be pretty hard to create
Liberals crying about the death toll from communism, when said made up number includes Nazis killed in the Easter theatre.
Liberals mourning nazis out of sheer ignorance seems telling
- The people killed by US soldiers in vietnam war also included too. It's messed up.
  
  As they said, it includes Nazis
Both are true, this is a dumb argument and common bad faith fallacy.
- how is it bad faith?
  
  Because it intentionally neglects the harm caused by the Great Leap Forward, or various soviet famines. The statement is designed to deflect attention and responsibility from A to B and use hyperbole to create outrage.
  Its possible to argue that both China and the Soviet Union were not actually communism but rather authoritarianism but for the sake of common understanding we will refer to them as they refer(ed) to themselves.
  So did millions of people die because of "communism?" the facts say yes. So do millions of people die because of Capitalism? the facts say yes.
  Both are true statements, and using hyperbole and outrage to deflect or minimize one or the other is in bad faith.
- You don't know what a fallacy is
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct
They don't care.
Also they will claim that the death of communism is some widely agreed upon number that is corroborated by numerous organizations and sources.
In reality it is literally like the one single 'study' that proved the autism/vaccine connection. It came entirely from the Black Book of Communism in 1999, and all but the main author disavowed it, and despite the obsession with wanting to reach 100 million. The absolute max it could find was 94 million with a 'most likely' number of 64 million.
So when they give a death toll of 'conservatively 100 million' they are literally pulling it out of nowhere.
The difference is that for the people dying under capitalism, the system is working as intended, and for the people dying under communism, it is not. In both cases, the leaders don't really care, because it works for them.
- When you lift out millions out of poverty and increase life expectancy significantly it's the communist leaders not caring. The more you know
  
  Yes, because it is never comes at their own expense through self-sacrifice. True leaders eat last, not first.
Lol as if we can't hate both.
- why? And why count hunger deaths under communism as marks against but don't apply this to capitalism much more deaths?
  
  A lot of assumptions being made off of my shitty one line joke, starting to feel like you have an agenda you're trying to push and are attempting to start a fight you've already had in your head.
  I maybe a dumbass, but I'm not idiot.
- Living up to your username
What communist country would you like to live in?
- Right now? China and Vietnam are doing pretty well.
  
  That's not what I asked
- China, Cuba, Vietnam. The first two have a higher life expectancy than the US, the richest country in world history.
  
  China in the 21st century is getting farther and farther from communism. Hell, they protected TESLA from concerned citizens. Not just a corporation, but a foreign corporation.
Those are libertarians, the"I got mine and fark everybody else" crowd, not liberals.
- Communists are liberals, it’s funny seeing how many liberals in the fediverse use it as a slur. Even the anarchists look down on the anti-government people.
  And yeah Libertarians are liberal as well, the problem is including everyone else that isn’t authoritarian.
  
  In what manner are communists "liberals?" Why are communists capitalists in your eyes?
  
  Why do you feel confident to speak on a subject you have clearly spent zero time informing yourself?
  
  Ngl I don't blame anarchists. Public schools explicitly said "communism is when government doess stuff."
Levels of whataboutism that would make conservatives proud. Truly quality Lemmy content.
- Comparing numbers is not whataboutism. That's literally why numbers exist in the first place, to compare and count.
- Average "whataboutism" fan vs average "comparative analysis" enjoyed
- Explain?
Anyone know where this image is from? I keep trying to find it but have never been able to.
- The guy is "Michael Does Life"
  
  Holy shit, thanks. Always thought it was pyrocynical XD
- Theres like 3 different tags in the image.
  Too bad they're all laid over each other so you can't read them.
  Not that it would lead to the source, anyways
How many people died in Soviet Russia again? I forgot
- 136+ million
  Edit: wait your saying Soviet Russia which means only the RSFSR

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