∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name] @ Edie @lemmy.ml

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If getting banned is violence, then sure.

You should just get banned.

Go add Tor support, it's a better use of your time, https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy

Or add to the docs how each individual instance can connect over Tor.

placing the burden of proof on me

That's how the burden of proof works. You make a claim, you provide proof.

You are lying about your previous lies, and then stating unrelated facts to confuse people.

I am not.

“you run the tor binary” doesn’t mean “the app runs the tor binary” it means you, the user on the system

I never meant that the app has to, the user can too.

Lemmy doesn’t need Tor built-in to use Tor

No, but then the individual lemmy instances would have to bodge tor support, as I have been trying to say. And since they very likely don't, tor based federation wouldn't work with those instances.

their explanation in this comment does match that reality

It does.

I'm not lying. I am stating the facts.

Tor works for apps that don’t integrate it (or its “binary”)

You run the tor binary and connect to it over socks5 and make connections to places (onion or not) through that socks5. If the app doesn't support socks5 you need to bodge it and redirect connections from the app into socks5 through some other means.

(At least that is the old way, with arti things are changing, but it's still in development, and when we are talking about onion services the old tor binary is still necessary)

LMAO. I spent 2-3 years deeply embedded in the Tor community, I am still on the people page. I know how it works.

Docs say Tor federation isn’t allowed

It says it isn't "supported". You are free to change the code to add socks5/tor support or make some bodge where it connects over tor and have your tor only network. Just don't complain when nobody can connect to you.

Also, why are you trying to make it sound like this is a universal thing that applies to all apps?

Because it is. This is how Tor works. Do you not understand how Tor works?

You need to connect to the tor binary to make .onions work. It doesn't just work like any other uri.

They aren't blocking tor federation, they just haven't added it. Tor federation is something they would have to explicitly add support for, since Tor only works over... Tor.

you’re fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots

Yeah of course

And you're next.

  We are sometimes inclined, I think unwisely, to treat democracy and dictatorship as two mutually exclusive terms, when in actual fact they may often represent two aspects of the same system of government. For example, if we turn to the Encyclopedia Britannica, to the article dealing with “Democracy,” we read: “Democracy is that form of government in which the people rules itself, either directly, as in the small city-states of Greece, or through representatives.”
  But the same writer goes on to say this: “All the people in the city-state did not have the right to participate in government, but only those who were citizens, in the legal and original sense. Outside this charmed circle of the privileged were the slaves, who had no voice whatever in the making of the laws under which they toiled. They had no political and hardly any civil rights; they were not ‘people.’ Thus the democracy of the Greek city-state was in the strict sense no democracy at all.”
  The Greek city-state has been cited time and again by historians as the birthplace of democracy. And yet, on reading the Encyclopedia Britannica, we find that in fact this was a democracy only for a “charmed circle of the privileged,” while the slaves, who did the work of the community, “had no voice whatever in the making of the laws under which they toiled.”
  The classical example of democracy was, then, a democracy only for certain people. For others, for those who did the hard work of the community, it was a dictatorship. At the very birthplace of democracy itself we find that democracy and dictatorship went hand in hand as two aspects of the same political system. To refer to the “democracy” of the Greek city-state without saying for whom this democracy existed is misleading. To describe the democracy of the Greek city-state without pointing out that it could only exist as a result of the toil of the slaves who “had no political and hardly any civil rights” falsifies the real history of the origin of democracy.
  Democracy, then, from its origin, has not precluded the simultaneous existence of dictatorship. The essential question which must be asked, when social systems appear to include elements both of democracy and dictatorship, is, “for whom is there democracy?” and “over whom is there a dictatorship?”

—Pat Sloan, in the Introduction to Soviet Democracy

Is this a bit where you try and be nonsensical? Because this makes no sense.

What... you think I'm a mod or admin?

Yet you deem my behavior as more harmful to the community.

The fuck are you talking about?

Why are you both so fixated on that hyper-specific, non-sequitor?

I'm not.

You could have said that @Cowbee@lemmy.ml worded it incorrectly, and that you never said that, you only said that a specific line wasn't bolded (at least I assume that is what you are trying to get at here)

It would be a better use of everyones time.

This post is really sparse, you should see the "Posting Guidelines" in the sidebar for what you ought to include.