Computer Update
Computer Update
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Android apps:
The free features are now removed. Watch a video before you can send texts for a week.
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Similar - this free app has now been acquired by a Chinese conglomerate and will soon have micro transactions and tracking added. Also for some reason it needs all permissions now to even function.
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like spotify: "listen to this ad and get 30 min ad free :D"
but then show ads again after 1 song
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Linux update is more like… “uh oh, please don’t break anything, I just got my graphics drivers working last week.”
This take is based on a true story.
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Says the NVidia user.
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Meanwhile in windows: doo doo doo.. continues to game…
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When I bought my last laptop I specifically looked for alternatives to Nvidia. If you want a dGPU on a laptop, there's almost nothing else than Nvidia.
There were like 4 laptops with AMD dGPU. All of them were priced about 2x what a comparable Nvidia laptop was priced and pretty much all of them have terrible ratings due to being made by Acer.
The only other option is Framework, and they want 3x what the Nvidia 4070 laptop cost that I ended up getting.
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Yeah that is me 😢 it's not a fun existence, bought my laptop when I still used windows and don't have the money to get one without Nvidia GPU. It is working (right now), but I just got over having to nuke my install because trying to fix issues with it recently caused issues with other drivers for some reason.
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Can anyone share the state of modern Nvidia cards on linux nowadays? I was looking into building a more modern gaming/rendering rig and AMD GPUs are way more expensive than Nvidia here. Reddit provides contradictory information.
Ideally I'm interested in how well the 5000 series works on Wayland setups in normal distros like debian.
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When I got the latest kernel on my Arch laptop, the touchpad didn't work for a month (luckily it was fixed by installing the LTS kernel)
But I like to stay on the bleeding edge, otherwise I would have chosen Debian
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Isn't it more like "I haven't updated in a while, let's see what's new"?
Then I hope it doesn't break stuff.
To quote Marco Pierre White "Its your choice."
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That's true for any update though.
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it is probably me only ever using igpus but the linux graphics stack never broke on me, always worked flawless. nvidia users in the other hand, have the opposite experience
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Huh, never had to pay for a Mac update.
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That's because Apple hasn't charged for OSX/MacOS updates since 2013 with OSX 10.9
Edit: I also don't think they were ever $99. I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 back in 2009 and I think it was only like $30, and they had to ship me a disc with the update so it's not like they didn't have any overhead they had to pay for
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They were more expensive in the early 2000s.
See, for example, this MacRumors thread from 2003 entitled “Mac OS X 10.3 Panther. Why Is it still $129?”
Jaguar (10.2) was also $129 in 2002.
10.1 was free.
Going up from 2003,
- 10.4 Tiger was $129 in 2005
- 10.5 Leopard was $129 in 2007
- 10.6 Snow Leopard was $29 in 2009
- 10.7 Lion was $29 in 2011
- 10.8 Mountain Lion was $29 in 2012
- 10.9 Mavericks was a free update in 2013
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And they were the first commercial OS to do so.
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I bought my first MacBook in '07, which came with Tiger installed. A couple of months later they released Leopard for £130, or free if you bought your Mac within the last month. So I contacted them and asked whether I'd had mine too long to get the free update. They said I had, but that they'd send me the disc for the cost of postage anyway.
So I paid £5 for Leopard.
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I recall the same, also I think the disc worked for the whole family.
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An update for this comic is available:
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The Mac one could be a lot more realistic:
"Mac OS Yellowstone is available for your Mac, and will update tonight."
"Mac OS did not update last night because you left some windows open."
"Mac OS will update tonight, but you must enter your fingerprint and password to make it happen."
"Mac OS did not update last night because you didn't enter your password again at 2AM and we weren't sure if you really meant it"
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Depends on distro, snapshotting and if it's a immutable distro.
Though Windows users should be worrying more, they don't have backups and have silently activated bitlocker but ignorance of that is bliss.
Mac user don't have to worry in my experience.
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Rstrui - sorry no snapshots.
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Very true. I switched to Fedora Atomic Budgie recently, and I haven't looked back. Windows and Mac users do get some limited cloud storage to back up their personal data for free, but they have to set it up and accept MS and Apple's EULAs which is a whole ball of snakes on its own.
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MacOS updates don't cost money. They're also completely optional (even security updates) and major OS versions introduce new features.
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The comic is from 2011. The upgrade to OS X Lion, released that year, was paid originally and then made available for free.
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I think this comic is more about the feeling of it. I certainly feel like my work-issued iphone gets more and more bogged-down with every major update, with less and less room for apps and media. It certainly feels like the only reason for the bloat is to goad me into buying cloud storage and/or a new model.
And just to be clear, I'm not hating on apple. Given the predatory nature of late-stage capitalism, apple is probably the least-shitty of the IT megacorps.
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Calm down, Tim Apple. It's just a meme.
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Meh, a linux user: Nah. (there's a major version update I'll really have to do in the next month or two, but my setup has so many customizations that the update will probably break a couple of things that I'll have to set up again, and I've been really unmotivated to do that)
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Or, I really don’t want to reboot so I’ll put it off
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It's been years since I ran Linux as my DD, but the major updates seemed to break my setup pretty regularly. Audio, or USB, or sleeping when I closed the laptop lid.
I assume that isn't the case anymore.
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Well, what can I say about that except ... "works for me".
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It is amazing how much I dread new Windows features.
I mean, I was pretty optimistic for a long time. I loved the DRM/presentation changes and hardware scheduling. I like a new task manager or finishing half-finished settings menus or little security optimizations. This was even going into Windows 11.
Now...
I know they're not going to finish anything, like UWP or the settings menu they overhauled in Windows 8.
I know, in all likelihood, I'm not getting improvements to performance, presentation, latency, audio, resource utilization. No new filesystem or neat features...
We're getting bloatware. Or ads. Or tracking. Or broken Copilot in yet another orifice I don't want it in, and that's speaking as a fervent local ML runner.
And every time it updates, I know I have to check the programs, task manager, services, and purpose made debloating programs to see what crap I have to castrate next. It's unreal. No wonder folks are dumping it for Android/iOS.
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Microsoft changes from a retail software seller to a service seller.
Windows is shit on purpose now. Before it was shit only because MS is inept.
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Me, a Debian user: "Wow, been 5 years already? Cool beans"
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Also Linux: oh good. Maybe it’ll fix this issue so I don’t have to lol
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Linux update: .... click ... forget about it as it runs in the background
Windows update: ... why is my system running like molasses???? .... oh there's an update .... click .... now it's running even slower!!! ... I'm in the middle of something!!! ... I DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN!! ... WAIT FOR THE UPDATE TO INSTALL!!! ... How long is this going to take?????"
Mac update: ...... I wouldn't know, I've never owned a Mac because I could never afford one.
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Mac update: ......
It downloads in the background, and sends you a toast notification that it’s ready to install. It gives you the option of restarting “Now”, or it’ll do it “Later Tonight” when it determines you’re not using your computer.
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Haha, I just had a huge list of dependency errors with my Linux PC. I'll have to find 1 hour in my day today to figure out wtf is up this time.
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More like: Your battery is too old so we'll pre-bill you for your $99/year subscription for the privilage of installing this CPU-Throttle update that you cannot refuse to install, and battery replacement costs almost as much as a new device.
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MacOS updates are free.
A battery replacement for my iPhone 14 Pro is currently £95 and a new phone would be £1099. I just tried to book for a battery replacement but it advised me not to due to health being at 80%. Now I could go and pay them but they would advise against it until the health is worse to get more value for money.
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TBH, I say "Not again!" on Linux if it's a kernel update, because it means I'll have to reboot.
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I say "Not again" on Linux too if it's a kernel update because anything newer than 6.10 means that sleep is broken again and I have to roll back to 6.10.
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Sounds like Arch that seems to me to update the kernel every week.
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The current mainline kernel hangs on my laptop when the system goes to screen off idle.
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I haven't had the "cool free stuff" opinion of software updates since like 2016.
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Been a while for me too, I kinda hate it when software changes how it works. Bugs fixed vs. new bugs introduced tends to be net zero anyway, and major updates often break my customizations, scripts and bug workarounds. If it wasn't for the security issues, I'd never update my system.
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Report button > Check "I'm in this photo and I like it"
- Linux Master Race
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My distro is downstream of arch, there's always an update. I just install them when I feel like it
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Stop spreading fake news and shit!!! Dammit!
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macOS updates haven't cost money since 2009
But... They did?! (Never had a mac)
No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.
Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn't care about.
I have a vague memory of spending $30 for an upgrade to MacOS more than a decade ago. Then Apple stopped charging for them. So, this comic is pretty off base, but people love to bitch, so what can you do.
They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every
year2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windowsOh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn't stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee... except that "new version" required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn't support when it was built (because it didn't exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn't dare ever change anything on that machine again.
That's right, instead they moved them to service subscriptions which people pay for instead and then forget about. Evil
No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.
Microsoft does this too.
Also Ubuntu does this now.
And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.
Don't understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you're a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don't even have to think about it.
Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.
They annoy me because Microsoft keeps cramming their updates full of invasive spyware/adware and “ai” features that I don’t want and have to jump through hoops to disable
After taking away many of them in the first place...
then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.
It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.
Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…
That's just not true. I never had a habit of having my pc run 24/7, and windows updates bothered me immensely since win 7
I haven't paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?
I mean, that's a legitimate way of using your computer. I'm sure you can see how that's incredibly annoying.
I had someone refuse to install windows updates because "spyware", also refuses to use linux... 🧐
Wait, why are "normal" persons shutting down their computer on a regular basis? I tend to avoid shutting down because restarts are a tad tedious.
Yes and no.
First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can't just use something from 2008.
Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.
Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly "subscription" to use the latest version of MacOS
Now they only require you to upgrade your hardware, like windows.
Except they are tied to hardware so eventually you get no updates at all
which is also true for all the windows users who can't update to 11 because their computers don't meet the arbitrary requirements