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Killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO has inspired followers, prosecutors say

Mangione is accused of leaving behind evidence showing disdain for the insurance industry. Similarly, the NFL headquarters gunman identified as Shane Tamura left behind a handwritten note blaming the league and football for causing chronic traumatic encephalopathy, known at CTE, prosecutors noted.

I believe there is talk of that evidence being mishandled or planted.

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Prosecutors say Luigi Mangione, accused of killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a Manhattan sidewalk, has inspired others to embrace violence over reasoned debate.
Wtf is "reasoned debate" supposed to mean when you're discussing for-profit, killing machine, only making money for investors and CEOs, healthcare????
Jfc.
- I like your brain.
- I think “reasoned debate” is when thousands and thousands of people in public comment periods strenuously oppose and object to opening up national wildlife refuges to oil drilling, and then they fucking do it anyway. I’m not sure though. I might not be clear on the definition. 🤷‍♂️
- "reasoned debate" has clearly been working so well so far. Have you even TRIED sending a polite letter to a fascist who thinks they're above the law?
  /s
Luigi did not create a general disdain for the insurance industry. The insurance industry did that on its own.
- The general disdain for the insurance industry created Luigi
Luigi Mangione may not be a “hero”, but healthcare insurance executives are surely villains, and they, as well as billionaires, should not exist, because they represent an existential threat to us all.
- So he took out a threat to us, I think that qualifies him for hero status.
From a Comicon vendor booth.
- Why did they put the killer's words in the same space as the face of an innocent man?
- Votive candles, too
- I'm about to go to Dragon Con, and I'll be interested to see how many folks will be cosplaying as Luigi is this year. I'm betting it'll be at least tied with KPop Demon Hunters cosplay, if not even more popular.
What has that got to do with the crime or anything else?
Oh no. people hate CEO news at 1:00.
There was no crime.
If he did then we might not be as fucked as it looks like we are. But so far, I'm not seeing it happening. The rich aren't scared enough.
I went to the dentist a few months ago to get a couple fillings. I haven't had insurance for years so I haven't had the chance to go. They said after I was done that it'd be something like $20 with insurance. Fast forward to two weeks ago I went into the dentist for a normal cleaning and before I even sit in the chair I'm being told that I still owe $900 from my last visit. They told me that my insurance denied my claim and that I had to pay in full. Was it a lot? Not really. But that's also almost an entire paycheck for me. And as someone that lives basically paycheck to paycheck it can make a huge difference.
This is exactly why I haven't been to the dentist in three years. I hadn't had insurance and didn't want to pay a ridiculous amount just to get a filling or two. Figured now that I have insurance through work I can start getting my teeth sorted. Felt so pissed off that I didn't even set up another appointment since they'll probably deny me again 4 months later.
And after all that, I'm sure you can guess what insurance company they provide through my job. Here's hoping I don't get that diabetes that runs in my family.
- Just a note - while others will tell you not to pay, what you should do instead is go in and get a checkup (covered), and ask them to do a pre-d on anything they want to do.
  
  What’s a pre-d?
- Just don't pay. Let it go to collections agencies. Medical debt is basically worthless and they don't even bother to harass you for it.
  
  Medical debt now goes to your credit report.
  Thanks Trump admin.
  
  Oh they absolutely do. Dealt with it for years plus it'll tank your credit.
- Aye
By "prosecutors", I wondered if it was just some political commentator who was a prosecutor. Nope. It's the prosecutors for this case in one of their filings:
The prosecution outlined the threat in a filing late Wednesday on a procedural matter in federal court in Manhattan, where they plan to try to convince a jury that Mangione deserves death. No federal trial date has been set.
In their filing Wednesday, prosecutors wrote that Mangione poses a continuing danger in part because he seeks to influence others.
“Simply put, the defendant hoped to normalize the use of violence to achieve ideological or political objectives,” they said. “Since the murder, certain quarters of the public — who openly identify as acolytes of the defendant — have increasingly begun to view violence as an acceptable, or even necessary, substitute for reasoned political disagreement.”
They're saying that he deserves to die not because of his actions, but because of what he represents. (I guess in their eyes, there is no such thing as a martyr.)
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi announced in April that she was directing federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty for “an act of political violence” and a “premeditated, cold-blooded assassination that shocked America.”
So, they're being ordered by Pam Bondi to seek the death penalty. Pam Bondi, who was appointed by Trump, and who appears to be trying her best to suppress evidence about Trump's past of raping children.
So, really, what do these prosecutors represent?
I know that if I was a prosecutor, and I was in some trolley problem situation where I had two cases, one where a person killed a CEO, and one where a person raped a child, and I was forced to prosecute only one and let the other go, I'd prosecute the child rapist without any hesitation.
I sure as fuck wish it did, where are these copycats?
The more, the merrier.
Better not execute him and make him a martyr, then
- Especially since he very obviously isn't the shooter
  
  They'd better not kill an innocent man.
I was hoping it would, unfortunately I don't think it has because greedy CEOs are still a problem.
I feel like this article is just another one trying to push the shane was after the nfl when he did not shoot a woman leaving the elevator he entered but then immediately shot a ceo when he got off the elevator. Yeah they found a note.
We literally refer to it as “getting Luigi’d”.
- "We" need to stop that. It implies that the accused, innocent, man is known to be the guilty party. By normalizing equalization of the innocent man and the murderer, we encourage the police and prosecution to push their case harder.
  
  That’s very fair.
Innocent men.
- Which ones?

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