Politicians Will Not Save Us.

If you don't want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.

Wait, wouldn't it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone's faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?

I'm starting to come around on Gavin, his Blue MAGA routine signals to me that the Democrats have finally given up on "When they go low, we go high."

That said he needs to walk back his transphobia if I'm going to actually support him.

Ideally I'd want someone closer to AOC, not AOC herself sadly because America has made it clear they will not vote for a woman.

They tried a warcriminal and "how would your administration be different from a Biden administration" "Well I would have a republican in my cabinet".
That isn't America saying they won't vote for a woman, its the dem base saying they won't vote for a republican.
- America had the chance to get Trump out of the news cycle forever and didn't take it. That's how much they hate women.
"America has made it clear they will not vote for a woman."
So far America has made it clear they won't vote for an establishment robot who refuses to acknowledge the pain that most of the country is in when there's a funny clown dancing on the other side of the ballot, and they've done so twice. The gender of the robot is irrelevant here.

Yes go after the dems for being complicit with thr Trump regime and also being shitty people themsevles who are intentionallh suroessing the left wing candidates.

But im also enjoying the petty trolling of Trump and dont mind giving Newsom a little bit of approval for it.

To be clear, I was and am one of the ones saying the people who didn't vote out of protest or not bothering contributed to the current regime.

But yes, right now is exactly the time to start going after the Dems. Now is the time to support progressives. Now is the time for shitting on the Chuck Schumers and try to push them out of office. There is little those on the left can do to persuade the current regime, but on the off-chance there are legitimate-ish elections next year or in three years, either shifting the Dems left or replacing them with a viable Left Party is the thing we should do right now.

In other words, now is not the time for the lesser evil.

Yeah. Newsom trolling Trump is funny as hell. He is still a piece of shit, though.

I'm laughing. But I haven't forgotten hes a transphobe
Not a Fascist piece of shit though

Is the bathwater clean enough yet?

Nope, gotta throw this one away too.

Meanwhile the right controls the country.

This.. we are looking at the very real possibility of Trump 2028 unless we support Gavin. I hate it.. but that's what it looks like.
- Oh my fucking God, I'm having 2020 flashbacks. "Vote for Biden so we can get Trump out!". We would have been miles better off if Trump won. No more loser centrist Democrats. All it does is kick the can down the road and makes things worse.
Gavin should absolutely keep trolling trump.
He should not be nominated for president.
OOH OOH I KNOW! We should all argue about if the efforts by [PERSON] to push back on the literal tyrants mobilizing the military against political opponents is actually a good thing or not, and fold our arms performatively if [PERSON] didn't hit EVERY FUCKING CHECKBOX ON THE MASSIVE SCROLL OF INCLUSION AND PERFECT POLITICS.
Because every time we do that... well, we lose miserable and lose more rights and protections, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BE SMUG THAT WE DIDN'T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN PERFECT.
- We did settle for less than perfect with Biden. How's that working out? Quit calling dog meat "less than perfect steak". How about pushing for an actually decent candidate before trying to sell us on getting a shit one.
- Vetos a bill to cap insulin prices.
  Vetos bills to build social and LGBTQ+ teen housing
  Vetos a bill to provide hearing-aids to kids
  Vetos a bill to make the rich pay taxes
  Ran on a single-payer healthcare system, then immediately backes down
  Vetos a bill to let striking workers keep their insurance
  Vetos a bill that banned employers from retalliating against picketers
  Proudly does a photo-op while destroying peoples homes
  BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BE SMUG THAT WE DIDN'T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN PERFECT.
  I'm not sure you understand what the word "Perfect" means. We're not asking for an angel, we're only asking for a candidate that isn't a monster. But the Democrats refuse to let us have that as an option.
- Right now is the only time to look for perfect, so why settle with fascism-lite instead of fighting for social democracy?

Here we go again. I guess this is just classic neoliberal psy-op at this point, trying to guilt people into voting against their own best interest just one more time bro.

Yes, it’s good Newsom is doing anything at all to fight back against Trump’s fascist takeover. No, he will not represent you if he gets elected, he will represent his corporate donors.

Corporations are already crushing us and taking us for all we have left. Don’t help their cause, find someone to support who isn’t beholden to monied interests instead.

find someone to support who isn’t beholden to monied interests instead.
FIND SOMEONE GUYS. WE JUST GOTTA FIND SOMEONE.
- They’re out there, many of them inspired to newly join politics in the face of democratic leadership’s utter weakness in this moment. You won’t find them on CNN or MSNBC though.

Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.

Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.

Nah, we need to let the DNC know that conservatives are unelectable in the general so they don't ratfuck they way through the primary again. Saying it now, I will not vote for republican-lite
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Unless he’s Zohran, then we clutch pearls and support the corrupt creepy predator guy.
- Status Cuomo
Sure, but Gavin Newsom might very well also be a Nazi. If you're from California, then you're probably aware that he's not exactly defending the the sanctuary state that he's been charged to lead. He's also kind of giving mayors carte blanche (and State-level support) to "clean up" homeless encampments, and he's publicly stated that he doesn't believe that "trans athletes should be allowed to compete against girls" in and interview with Charlie Kirk, and then recently doubled down on that.
So what do you do when both Candidates want to fuck the world?
Obviously the fascist party is accelerating things quickly, but the Democrats aren't doing anything to slow it down. Just as in every single case of a fascist takeover ever, the liberals enable the fascists. They keep trying to shift to the right to "capture voters" which literally has never worked, but they keep trying. Why?
- and then recently doubled down on that
  Wait seriously? I was really hoping he would do the opposite and call it a "lapse in judgement"
- One person thinks trans people shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports.
  The other person thinks that trans people shouldn't be allowed to live.
  Please help I can't figure out how these two are different
- i can't believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we're still having this conversation.
  obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it "both candidates want to fuck the world" is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.
  it's frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
Your heuristic is easy to beat. A Nazi just needs to run as a Democrat, hide their true feelings until the general election, and they can trick you into voting for them every time.
- You must be working for Fetterman
- Well they can trick you into voting for them the first time, anyways
- This goes every possible way and is a weak argument.
  There's nothing stopping a Nazi from lying and pretending to be a progressive canidate either.
  You made an unwinable scenario
And because there are way more fascist friendly neoliberals than there are progressives it will never be someone you actually want to vote for.
This has been the pattern for my entire life and expecting this stupid country full of idiots to change is a recipe for disappointment.
- Except the left has policy that directly improves the material conditions of people. Free Healthcare polls overwhelmingly better than "means-tested subsidies for insurance through 50 different marketplaces where you have no idea what you will pay at any point".
  The people don't have coherent ideologies, but they know healthcare, rent, school are too expensive and wages are too low.
Nah i'm done playing this no sensical game. If I vote, it's for PSL and any other third party option. Not like voting for a Dem in my state of Missouri will do anything so might as well vote for who I actually want to support and stop doing the "hold your nose and vote for the slightly less bigoted fascist".
- This attitude is why Missouri will always be red.
  I hate when people cannot see they are part of the very problem they're trying to solve.
- I used to think the same until Georgia flipped blue for Biden.
  It's possible and better then the alternative. Hell if your vote even just helps flip a house seat it is a drastic improvement
- Politics are either practical or vanity.
- So you're actively going to help the worst fascist, even using your own opinion of the democratic politicians. That makes you an enemy.
And why is this even a conversation now? There is literally no reason for anyone to care about the 2028 election. I mean hell, in all likelihood you won't even get to have real elections in 2028 at this rate, so now in 2025 go do something about it.
I'll even donate to change their mind,
That... makes no sense.
- Giving politicians money to change their mind is straight up how Dems operate. They're barely even shy about it.

Guys...he might hate trans and homeless people, but check out those dank memes his staffer is posting.

Damn he did two things I don't agree with? Guess I'll passively support the guy who does everything I disagree with then.
- Yes. Those are the only two options.
He has faught against ranked choice voting everytime he has had the chance.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php
- There are lots of reasons to dislike Newsom. His office's mockery of Trump isn't one of them. It's possible to cheer him for that and dump on him for the other things.
This is the answer, Gavin Newsom sees a role to play and is cynically doing it, he is a risky distraction that gives me "I will absolutely throw you under the bus for power" vibes exactly like mayo Pete.

Not once have I ever had anyone giving me shit about bringing up Newsom’s transphobia respond to the fact that LGBTQ political leaders and rights organizations within California, some of which have been fighting for LGBTQ rights for decades, immediately condemned his statements. Those people and organizations are all just too stupid and idealistic to understand how politics works, I guess. 🙄

You’d think a ‘liberal/leftist’ screaming at a trans person to shut the fuck up about transphobia would cause some cognitive dissonance, but nope, not even a little.

It would be great if they spent even 1/10th the energy putting pressure on Newsom to stop being a fucking transphobe.