OpenAI will not disclose GPT-5’s energy use. It could be higher than past models
OpenAI will not disclose GPT-5’s energy use. It could be higher than past models
is there any picture of the guy without his hand up like that?
those are his lying/making up hand gestures. its the same thing trump does with his hands when hes lying or exaggerating, he does the wierd accordian hands.
Sam Altman has gone into PR and hype overdrive lately. He is practically everywhere trying to distract the media from seeing the truth about LLM. GPT-5 has basically proved that we've hit a wall and the belief that LLM will just scale linearly with amount of training data is false. He knows AI bubble is bursting and he is scared.
MS already released, thier AI doesnt make money at all, in fact its costing too much. of course hes freaking out.
All the people here chastising LLMs for resource wastage, I swear to god if you aren't vegan...
Dude, wtf?! You can't just go around pointing out peoples hypocrisy. Companies killing the planet is big bad.
People joining in? Dude just let us live!! It is only animals...
big /s
I mean, they're both bad.
But also, "Throw that burger in the trash I'm not eating it" and "Uninstall that plugin, I'm not querying it" have about the same impact on your gross carbon emissions.
These are supply side problems in industries that receive enormous state subsides. Hell, the single biggest improvement to our agriculture policy was when China stopped importing US pork products. So, uh... once again, thank you China for saving the planet.
Wait so the biggest improvement came when there was a massive decline in demand?
What a stupid take.
It's not, you're just personally insulted. The livestock industry is responsible for about 15% of human caused greenhouse gas emissions. That's not negligible.
What is it with vegans and comparing literally everything to veganism? I was in another thread and it was compared to genocide, rape, and climate change all in the same thread. Insanity
i really hate this cunt's face.
Is it this?
But it also could be lower, right?
Not really, if it were they would be announcing their new highly efficient model.
Unlikely. 5 is just all of OpenAIs previous models in a trenchcoat.
When will genAI be so good, it'll solve its own energy crisis?
Most certainly it won't happen until after AI has developed a self-preservation bias. It's too bad the solution is turning off the AI.
Obviously it's higher. If it was any lower, they would've made a huge announcement out of it to prove they're better than the competition.
Unless it wasn't as low as they wanted it. It's at least cheap enough to run that they can afford to drop the pricing on the API compared to their older models.
I get the distinct impression that most of the focus for GPT5 was making it easier to divert their overflowing volume of queries to less expensive routes.
It's cheaper though, so very likely it's more efficient somehow.
I believe in verifiable statements and so far,with few exceptions, I saw nothing. We are now speculating on magical numbers that we can't see, but we know that ai is demanding and we know that even small models are not free. The only accessible data come from mistral, most other ai devs are not exactly happy to share the inner workings of their tools. Even than, mistral didn't release all their data, even if they did it would only apply to mistral 7b and above, not to chatgpt.
I’m thinking otherwise. I think GPT5 is a much smaller model - with some fallback to previous models if required.
Since it’s running on the exact same hardware with a mostly similar algorithm, using less energy would directly mean it’s a “less intense” model, which translates into an inferior quality in American Investor Language (AIL).
And 2025’s investors doesn’t give a flying fuck about energy efficiency.
Sam Altman looks like an SNL actor impersonating Sam Altman.
"Herr derr, AI. No, seriously."
Duh. Every company like this "suddenly" starts withholding public progress reports, once their progress fucking goes downhill. Stop giving these parasites handouts
Photographer1: Sam, could you give us a goofier face?
click* click*
Photographer2: Goofier!!
click* click* click* click*
Looks like he's going to eat his microphone
He looks like someone in a cult. Wide open eyes, thousand yard stare, not mentally in the same universe as the rest of the world.
I have to test it with Copilot for work. So far, in my experience its "enhanced capabilities" mostly involve doing things I didn't ask it to do extremely quickly. For example, it massively fucked up the CSS in an experimental project when I instructed it to extract a React element into its own file.
That's literally all I wanted it to do, yet it took it upon itself to make all sorts of changes to styling for the entire application. I ended up reverting all of its changes and extracting the element myself.
Suffice to say, I will not be recommending GPT 5 going forward.
That's my problem with "AI" in general. It's seemingly impossible to "engineer" a complete piece of software when using LLMs in any capacity that isn't editing a line or two inside singular functions. Too many times I've asked GPT/Gemini to make a small change to a file and had to revert the request because it'd take it upon itself to re-engineer the architecture of my entire application.
I make it write entire functions for me, one prompt = one small feature or sometimes one or two functions which are part of a feature, or one refactoring. I make manual edits fast and prompt the next step. It easily does things for me like parsing obscure binary formats or threading new piece of state through the whole application to the levels it's needed, or doing massive refactorings. Idk why it works so good for me and so bad for other people, maybe it loves me. I only ever used 4.1 and possibly 4o in free mode in Copilot.
It's the same tech. It would have to be bigger or chew through "reasoning" tokens to beat benchmarks. So yeah, of course it is.
So like, is this whole AI bubble being funded directly by the fossil fuel industry or something? Because the AI training and the instantaneous global adoption of them is using energy like it's going out of style. Which fossil fuels actually are (going out of style, and being used to power these data centers). Could there be a link? Gotta find a way to burn all the rest of the oil and gas we can get out of the ground before laws make it illegal. Makes sense, in their traditional who gives a fuck about the climate and environment sort of way, doesn't it?
its like crypto, they wanted to make money of VC funds, and thats probably running dry right now, and the investors are probably going to demand returns very soon. why do you think the massive layoffs started in 2023.
I mean, AI is using like 1-2% of human energy and that's fucking wild.
My take away is we need more clean energy generation. Good things we've got countries like China leading the way in nuclear and renewables!!
All I know is that I'm getting real tired of this Matrix / Idiocracy Mash-up Movie we're living in.
Yes, China is producing a lot of solar panels (a good thing!) but the percentage of renewables is actually going down. They are adding coal faster than solar.
Do you have a source for that? Because given a chatgpt query takes a similar amount of energy to running a hair dryer for a few seconds i find it hard to believe.
So more energy use for what the people that are into AI are calling a worse model. Is someone going to get fired for this?
intense electricity demands, and WATER for cooling.
I wonder if at this stage all the processors should simply be submerged into a giant cooling tank. It seems easier and more efficient.