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Stop Killing Games is facing a complaint in the EU that uses nonsense logic to accuse the movement's founder of failing to disclose financial contributions he never made: 'It's not paranoia if they re

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Stop Killing Games is facing a complaint in the EU that uses nonsense logic to accuse the movement's founder of failing to disclose financial contributions he never made: 'It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you'

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www.pcgamer.com /gaming-industry/stop-killing-games-is-facing-a-complaint-in-the-eu-that-uses-nonsense-logic-to-accuse-the-movements-founder-of-failing-to-disclose-financial-contributions-he-never-made-its-not-paranoia-if-they-really-are-out-to-get-you/

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I also love this part:
Earlier this month, game publishing trade association Video Games Europe said the initiative's proposals "would curtail developer choice"
Well, yes, that's the point of pretty much any regulation about anything. Curtailing the choice of people abusing the system.
- You know who else curtails developer choice by setting arbitrary deadlines and pushing for aggressive monetization? Game publishers. Pretty sure the devs don't want their game to be universally hated for lootboxes and bugs.
  
  Just look at Battlefront 2, arguably one of the best star wars games ever made and its reputation was irrevocably tanked because the publishers pushed the lootbox model on the game.
  
  Developers often make the same decisions about monetization as publishers do when they have the same incentives.
When you run out of even decent logical arguments you attack the people. This really tells that the industry is afraid of this movement and will use all the dirty tricks they know to oppose it.
- "Run out"? They never had any arguments.
  It was pure unchecked greed and they're panicking since the movement has a real chance of succeeding now.
  
  What about "I worked at Blizzard!". Is that an argument?
  
  Very true. Was just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
- Rachel: There's no way we can link the gun to Maroni, so we won't be able to charge him with anything, but the fact that they're trying to kill you means that we're getting to them.
[...] violating EU stipulations requiring citizens to report any sponsor contributions over €500.
If the initiative failed to disclose any such funding, that would be bad! However, the complaint argues that the initiative didn't receive any monetary contribution; rather, it claims Scott simply volunteered too much of his own time to promote the movement, which—if you've decided words no longer mean anything—is basically the same thing.
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In short:
The complaint accuses the initiative of "systemic concealment of major contribution," violating EU stipulations requiring citizens to report any sponsor contributions over €500.
The complaint cites PC Gamer's interview with Scott from June, in which he said "there have been many weeks on the campaign where I've been working 12 to 14 hours a day to keep things moving to get signatures." That promotional work, the complaint argues, amounts to "€63,000-147,000 in professional contribution" if he'd charged a "market rate" of "€50-75/hour."
It's also not how the EU's disclosure requirements work. As Scott notes in the video, the EU's citizens' initiative rules say that "individuals providing non-financial support, such as volunteering, are not considered sponsors under the ECI Regulation and do not need to be reported."
If the petition heads to the Commission after its petition deadline on July 31, we can expect to see even more exciting rhetorical maneuvers.
I sure hope that the EU can withstand these 4D chess 900 IQ rhetorical maneuvers.
- Wait wait they are guesstimating how much would Scott have had to earn from the movement via his volunteer work, and pose that Labor as a donation????? They are a joke. I'm sure they know what volunteer means, with the amount of volunteer overtime that they strongly suggest (or else) their workers to do.
I'm pirating any game made by any producer that oppose SKG.
If they want to antagonize consumers. Consumers will be their enemies.
It's the equivalent of "you spelled one word wrong, your entire argument is invalid!"
- But the decorum! Will someone think of the decorum!
"Look at all this paid labour he's been doing, if he'd been getting paid!"
- I took it as "Look at all this labour he's been doing. He must be getting paid". They can't fathom someone working on their dream for free.
  
  It's more of a "he's getting paid from the movement and then donating all that pay right back!!!!" Stupidity.
- Does the argument work both ways? If effort is the same as being paid for. Does that mean pirating a game is the same as buying it? After all it's basically the same effort these days.
  Of course the argument doesn't fly, as you cant actually buy a game anymore, just a temporary license for an undisclosed amount of time.
- This is what I'm wondering about? Are there videos monetized in any way? If so, they could attempt that argument.
Ross isnt the movements founder, other people started the citizens initiative. He says this in his videos multiple times.
- I believe he is the founder of "Stop Killing Games" however the EU petition is by "Stop Destroying Videogames" a different, but aligned org. They often just get lumped together as "Stop Killing Games", hence the confusion.
  
  Right, but the complaint is wrong. They are filing against the citizens initiative, which Ross is not the founder of. Then the media outlet is conflating the two in their article title, which makes things worse.
Tells you that the guy behind it is causing some folks in the halls of power to get some uncomfortable questions.
Love the headline. Great to see publications directly call out bullshit
Well it’s crazy that they’re accusing him of giving too much of his own time.
I really hope the Stop Killing Games initiative changes something as I want to own my (single player) games forever on every store (not only GOG as it’s not so Linux friendly despite the heroic games launcher).
Oh wow... an anonymous complaint that is complete nonsense... whatever will they do. I at least expect the EU to correctly dismiss this pathetic attempt.
This is just someone in the industry trying to buy time and throw gunk in the works of the initiative. Unless they are aggressively retarded they knew this challenge would fail, they just want to buy time.

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